[zetti]

Video should be mandatory for all pet owners who post that they want their dogs *protection trained*.

 

[Baillif]

Nah. Very little to be learned from that video. I'd have BTFO all 3 dogs no protection took everything that wasn't nailed down, and not touched them physically.

 

[cdwoodcox]

Problem isn't owners who want their dog protection trained. The issue is trainers training protection and never getting the dog past the fun play that comes along with biting a sleeve to a point where they will bite in defense.
Take my dog for instance. In one session 45 minutes we got here to bark and show teeth at a threat/decoy Easy, even in a weak nerved dog. Takes about twice of the dog barking and decoy retreating for a dog to learn to bark and growl when it feels threatened.
Next we got her to bite a sleeve. This was also very easy to teach her. It was a game and she loved it. Bit hard held on even with decoy screaming and fighting. Done each phase roughly 20ish minutes. So basically we taught Athena a trumped up game of tug.
It would be very easy for someone, especially with a board and train to get a dog to this point and sell the idea to an uninformed owner that it is protection trained. Would she bite a bad guy Idk she may. But if so it wouldn't be because of that session. Unscrupulous trainers and uninformed owners make for a false sense of security with a dog who would probably bark then retreat as the house got looted. Along with your wallet looted by junk trainer.

 

[llombardo]

My son and I have talked about this scenario. We both have different opinions on which dog would do what and I can't find a volunteer to test the theory. I do change my thoughts on occasion based on observing them. I sometimes think I might be way off in my thinking.

 

[Baillif]

It was especially telling in the mal. He is the kind of dog that would have noticeable difficulty playing tug with a stranger under friendly circumstances. Also dull enough to not light up at the sound of someone coming to a front door to enter. No fire in that dog. Not the right animal for personal protection and not really even the right animal for serious competition in sport work. The training wasn't good enough to get a bark on command either.

 

[cdwoodcox]

So what about a dog like any of these three dogs in the video. Scenario, dog and at least one owner home. Owner gets attacked by intruder. Do these same dogs retreat or do they protect owner. Does that change the mindset of a dog.

 

[Baillif]

100% the corso runs. Maybe if the owner was locked in a fight with a suspect and holding their own the mal or gsd maybe bark at close to middle distance and maybe take a potshot at suspect or even owner here and there. Maybe they flee too hard to say. They would definitely easily be backed off if attention got redirected to them. Real threat scenario all three would be useless.

 

[Sabis mom]

So none of those dogs impressed. But the owners ticked me off.
I got a dog because I didn't want a gun.
I am disappointed in my dog.

The CC is still young.
The Mal isn't suited and that makes the trainer kind of a jerk.
The GSD did a commendable job of sounding the alarm and really that is what a pet should do.
Any intruder breaking in to a house with a large barking dog has a plan to handle it.
Sorry but my stuff isn't worth losing my dog.

 

[Slamdunc]

I agree with Bailif, and as I said earlier, all three would be useless in a real situation.
The Cane Corso is no pup, it was 19 months, that is not a pup. It is old enough to have some nerve and drive and be a formidable dog.

The GSD, like so many GSD's may put on a big show with the FEDEX man but would run and hide if pushed, threatened or pressured. It may come out as the burglar was leaving and bite him in the butt. Actually, nip and then run once the burglar turned around. I have seen way too many fear biting GSD's over the years and they usually bite people in the butt.

The Malinois has environmental issues as well. It was thrown off by the slick hardwood floor and the stairs. Maybe, it's grip would be a little better on a field on a nice sunny day.

So many people think their dog is a "man stopper" or will "bite for real" because it barks at the mailman or lunges at the fence when some one passes by. I'm sure these three dog owners in the video all thought their dogs would give their life protecting them. Boy, these owners had a rude awakening. Especially, the Cane Corso owner who got the dog for protection over a gun. This video should serve as a good example of what the vast majority of pet dogs or "PPD" Pet Protection Dogs" will do in the real world.

What I found most interesting was telling the owners name, where they lived and then letting a camera crew into their house. Man, they made them easy targets for burglars who can "window shop" by watching the video.

 

[SuperG]

I never gave much thought about getting a GSD as a layer of protection.......but they all ended being exactly that.....it might keep a few more guessing......after that...it just ends up the same as it always has been.....if push comes to shove....you can only rely on yourself.

SuperG

 

[JessicaR]

This just reminds me of my idiot neighbor, who once told me she trained her great dane to be a protection dog. How did she do it you may ask... She said she punched him lightly in the head until he got mad and grabbed her arm. So she knew he would protect her even if someone was hitting him. I was pretty much speechless at that, and also glad that the landlord wont let them have a dog!

 

[cdwoodcox]

This just reminds me of my idiot neighbor, who once told me she trained her great dane to be a protection dog. How did she do it you may ask... She said she punched him lightly in the head until he got mad and grabbed her arm. So she knew he would protect her even if someone was hitting him. I was pretty much speechless at that, and also glad that the landlord wont let them have a dog!

I probably shouldn't have laughed at this. But the level of ignorance is laughable.

 

[gsdhistorian4]

Yea, video surely exposed a lot and makes people think differently before they claim "my dog would rip apart any intruder, bla bla bla" lol! Either way, the German shepherd was by far the most impressive out of all 3, especially since he had no protection training. That's 1 of the many reasons GSD are my favorite. I never got into the whole Malinois fad.. they are fast and agile, but German shepherds are a lot more powerful, have more takedown power which helps if it's a police dog, are a lot smarter, and also easier to train. German shepherds #1

 

[Muskeg]

Hmm, lots of generalities about breed, there. It depends on the lines, the dog, the handler.

One thing for sure, malinois can be scary-smart, and not just in a toy-drivey, easy to train way, but in a problem solving, understanding what the handler wants and figuring out how to make it happen kind of way.

 

[SuperG]

That's 1 of the many reasons GSD are my favorite. I never got into the whole Malinois fad.. they are fast and agile, but German shepherds are a lot more powerful, have more takedown power which helps if it's a police dog, are a lot smarter, and also easier to train. German shepherds #1

I can kind of agree with that....but......I've always wanted a Mal...even before I knew the appropriate requirements.....I was always impressed by the breed's structure but not familiar with the breed firsthand.....as I was with the GSD...so I've had GSDs.....if I were to have another chance to start a new pup....I might go for a Mal.....it's difficult not to like the breed.


SuperG

 

[JessicaR]

I probably shouldn't have laughed at this. But the level of ignorance is laughable.

That's ok I laughed too.

 

[Slamdunc]

Yea, video surely exposed a lot and makes people think differently before they claim "my dog would rip apart any intruder, bla bla bla" lol! Either way, the German shepherd was by far the most impressive out of all 3, especially since he had no protection training. That's 1 of the many reasons GSD are my favorite. I never got into the whole Malinois fad.. they are fast and agile, but German shepherds are a lot more powerful, have more takedown power which helps if it's a police dog, are a lot smarter, and also easier to train. German shepherds #1

You need to see some good Malinois. They are certainly not a "fad" and are quickly replacing the GSD as the dog of choice for Police Work, and Special Forces teams. Don't think for one second that a good Malinois is not as agile and fast (if not more) than a GSD, is not as large or powerful and certainly has plenty of "takedown" power.

I am also a GSD guy, they are my favorite breed and I will always own one or two for my personal dogs.

But when it comes to selecting dogs for LE work, I pick the best dog available. Breed is not a factor. Only, 1 of the last 5 dogs that I have selected in the past two years was a GSD. Three were Mal X's and one a DS. Selection was based on working ability, agility, nerves, confidence, strength, aggression, confidence and overall working and training ability. Out of the 9 patrol dogs in our unit only 2 are GSD's, and that may change when one of the GSD's retires this month. I will be selecting a new dog for this handler and he really wants another GSD. I'm not sure he can handle a strong, hard Malinois or cross. He will get the best dog that I can find regardless of breed, color or size. A dog that will simply get the job done.

 

[gsdhistorian4]

Oh thats cool. Yea, don't get me wrong, i don't dislike the Malinois... they certainly are cool dogs and you like whatever breed you like, i just like the German shepherd a lot better and feel they are better as both pets and protection dogs.. in my opinion. Aside from the German shepherd, i also like the Dogo Argentino though

I can kind of agree with that....but......I've always wanted a Mal...even before I knew the appropriate requirements.....I was always impressed by the breed's structure but not familiar with the breed firsthand.....as I was with the GSD...so I've had GSDs.....if I were to have another chance to start a new pup....I might go for a Mal.....it's difficult not to like the breed.


SuperG

 

[labX]

This video proves nothing. We have had a dog that will charge and attack strangers before. He was my 10 lb dashund.
He was okay with us but new people even coming near our car ,camper and house was game time.
He would run a few k a day and was all muscle ,which our vet thought was funny for a little dog.

The mal might be like the one I saw this week. 6 month pure breed .The lady said she and her husband brought it for there 2 little kids . This mal was friendly and very out going. No training as it's only a pert.


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[wolfy dog]

This just reminds me of my idiot neighbor, who once told me she trained her great dane to be a protection dog. How did she do it you may ask... She said she punched him lightly in the head until he got mad and grabbed her arm. So she knew he would protect her even if someone was hitting him. I was pretty much speechless at that, and also glad that the landlord wont let them have a dog!

You can call that 'unbalanced training'.