[wolfy dog]

The perfect shepherd dog simply doesn't exist.

So I must have the only one then. :happyboogie:

 

[Catu]

Pfffff. I opened this topic exited to see someone to compare notes only to see it had been opened by the same person with half knowledge collected from non scientific webpages.

What... The Czechoslovakian Wolfdog is not good enough anymore since information busted your bubble?

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[Catu]

Sorry repeat post

 

[NormanF]

Pfffff. I opened this topic exited to see someone to compare notes only to see it had been opened by the same person with half knowledge collected from non scientific webpages.

What... The Czechoslovakian Wolfdog is not good enough anymore since information busted your bubble?

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I like all wolfdogs! Its not a reflection on Kavik!

 

[NormanF]

So I must have the only one then. :happyboogie:

So do I. She's perfect for me! I have no complaints.

 

[NormanF]

I'm talking more on the part with training. I like a dog that I can train. Biddable, eager to train with me. The wolf is not one of those.

I own a GSD that is aloof to strangers. Except kids. And I'm her world. That's not what I was referring to.


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A tame wolf can be trained! It takes more work than with a domestic dog but it can be done.

 

[Cschmidt88]

A tame wolf can be trained! It takes more work than with a domestic dog but it can be done.

He/She didn't say they can't be trained, she said they are not eager to work with us. Which wolves are not, wolves were not bred to work along side us human and do not possess the traits that makes dogs so easy to work.

Dogs Decoded is a documentary that does an excellent job showing this. Wolves failed in simple tests where dogs excelled. (Apes failed it too.) They placed two cups on the ground, one had food under it. And they pointed to the cup with food under it. Wolves and apes did not pick up on the hand gestures at all. Dogs got it immediately, even young puppies still with their dam.

And a wolf if still a wild animal, no amount of training will take that fact away.

 

[hunterisgreat]

The most interesting part of (I think the same show) dogs decoded was teaching dogs and wolves to do something for food, and later sabotaging that so it wouldn't work.. The dogs all look to the human for assistance where the wolves never do and just get pissed off

 

[Capone22]

He/She didn't say they can't be trained, she said they are not eager to work with us. Which wolves are not, wolves were not bred to work along side us human and do not possess the traits that makes dogs so easy to work.

Dogs Decoded is a documentary that does an excellent job showing this. Wolves failed in simple tests where dogs excelled. (Apes failed it too.) They placed two cups on the ground, one had food under it. And they pointed to the cup with food under it. Wolves and apes did not pick up on the hand gestures at all. Dogs got it immediately, even young puppies still with their dam.

And a wolf if still a wild animal, no amount of training will take that fact away.

Yes exactly. Why do people have this fascination of trying to make WILD animals pets? They don't want to be our pet. Leave the wild in the wild.


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[NormanF]

Yes exactly. Why do people have this fascination of trying to make WILD animals pets? They don't want to be our pet. Leave the wild in the wild.


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The LI and the Czech Vlcak are NOT wild animals - they are dogs first and foremost. People who acquire them with the intention of acquiring a wolf with a gentle dog temperament will be disappointed! They are dogs and they behave very differently from a wolf. That said, I do agree here the wolf should be kept in the wild where it belongs! While a wild animal can be tamed, it lacks the qualities that a domesticated animal has. Its a difference - a critical one - that should never be forgotten!

 

[Chicagocanine]

"The aim of the breeding program has always been to produce a wolf-dog that would not just feature physical characteristics from both the wolf and the dog, but above all to obtain a reliable working dog compatible with living with humans."

If the aim is to make a reliable working dog, why did they think crossing in wolves would help?

 

[NormanF]

"The aim of the breeding program has always been to produce a wolf-dog that would not just feature physical characteristics from both the wolf and the dog, but above all to obtain a reliable working dog compatible with living with humans."

If the aim is to make a reliable working dog, why did they think crossing in wolves would help?

The fearlessness, stamina and tough weatherproof coat of the wolf are seen as desirable qualities to introduce into the dog. But it must be done with utmost care. If the hybrids are bred wrong - the experiment would be considered a failure. So its very difficult to create a new breed and not just any one can do it!

 

[Arana]

No - the Lupo Italiano is a hybrid - a cross of a German Shepherd sire and a female wolf bitch. You're thinking of the wild wolf in Italy. The LI on the other hand IS a state dog and is a pure working animal - there is no chance of acquiring it as a pet! It is strictly protected.

Arr yes it is okay so for your information you dont know the creater would know so your saying who created the lupo italiano is wrong were you there when he created this breed no you werent lol were you like it says its a hybrid with a female she-wolf and male german shepherd you can tell that they are wolfdogs

 

[Sunsilver]

The brother of a good friend had one of these animals. In a picture I saw of it, it looked very much like a German shepherd. He did not own it, it was owned by the state, and trained for SAR. He had many successful finds with it. They would often travel to the search site by helicopter, and the wolf was fine with that.

One day, he told me, he was walking the wolf off leash in an open area. An off leash dog approached them. He yelled at the handler to call his dog, but the dog didn't respond. The wolf ran away from the approaching dog, and hid in some bushes. The dog followed him into the bushes. Before the wolf's owner could do anything, the wolf had killed the dog.

I have never researched the origins of these animals, but my understanding, based on what the owner told me, was that the animal was a full blooded Italian wolf, which had been 'domesticated' to protect it from becoming extinct in the wild. The government very strictly controlled the breeding, and who was allowed to foster the animals.

It's obvious from what happened to the dog that the wolf's instincts were still very much intact. A wolf that's not suspicious of a new person or animal is pretty soon a dead wolf, and a wolf's reaction to being cornered is to fight and possibly kill.

 

[Salty dog]

This is an interesting read as “Dire wolves” are now highly sought after thanks to GOT. I wonder how many shady breeders out there tried to find some wolf cubs to add into their “breeding program.” Most probably just cross it with a husky and call it a wolf hybrid, and the general public is clueless. This is one of the reasons I was initially reluctant to breed my white Shepherd to a black Shepherd, but the health and temperament were so stellar in both pairs, and other stud dogs just didn’t have a chance when it came to being a better stud. It’s my first breeding, so aside from puppy going to the stud owner as partial stud payment, all other pups will be placed with family locally, so I can watch them grow, and be able to either assist with any issues if they arise, or take the puppy/dog back in.