I only know that they can go up and down until the ring closes.

Good luck.

 

when does the ring close?? I haven't bred and have had some conflicting info from don't worry til 6 months to return NOW. i won't breed so don't care for that, but at what age does the ring close?? Can you tell when it closes?? Does the normal boy's go up and down?? or is this weird?? and hereditary issuess??

Thanks for the answer, but please add more info, I truly know none of this as I've not bred nor ever had this issue.

 

We called Kopper yo-yo ball. :blush: He had one that went up and down and up and down. Now at 17 weeks both have been down for a while. Hope that helps!

 

Whenever I have had males, I never worried about the testicles and they always descended without problem. But my friend had a leonberger litter and the male went up and down for a while, and then it stayed up. they neutered him

I think it is pretty common for them to go up and down. I know that to provide a proper temperature for the sperm, they hang lower away from the body when it is warm, and they get up closer when it is cold, not sure where it is where you are, been having some cold weather? I wonder if you raised the temperature a little if that would help. I don't know. That really would suggest puppies obtained in the winter would have more of an issue, and I have never heard that.

The worst case scenario is not showing. Is this a deal breaker for you? Do you have something in the contract that says both testicles will decend? -- a must for a pup showed for show.

I have heard of a dog having a testicle drop at eleven months, but I would be tearing my hair out by then. Ya never know how many of those stories are true.

I think the ring closes at different times for different dogs. Kind of like waiting for the ears to go up, it is just one of those things you have to bite your nails over.

 

Sometimes the more you look for them, the more the go up, so stop checking. Looking for them won't help.

Balto was totally cryptorchid. His never came down. Too bad because he's an awesome dog. Good for me because that's the only reason I got him. The breeders in Canada who were going to buy him didn't want him anymore.

 

I have two friends with cryptorchid puppies: one with a dobe and one with a belgian. Both were supposed to be breed dogs, but not any more. Neither of them had both testicles at 8 weeks and they are both over 8 months of age and they are still one nut pups. Both of my friends were given the option of returning the pup for a replacement, but how do you return a pup once you are bonded?

I have never gotten a pup that didn't have both descended at 8 weeks and make a point of checking before I take the little guy home. Not that I am ever going to breed my dog, but because the neuter surgery is much more expensive, involved, and you have to have it done.

I have heard of the the testicles coming down as late as a year, but the truth is that the longer it's missing, the less chance of its showing up.

 

It is still very early for them to stay down. If you bought (in your contract) a show quality puppy, then it will matter. What does the contract say about when they need to be down (stay down) by?

 

Dante's (malinois) went up and down a little, but after 5 mo they were both down and stayed down (he's 9 months now). For the most part, they were down, but every now and then one would slip back up.

 

thanks everyone, the problem is I did buy a show pup, but once they walk in the door, I love them adn they stay.. Hr has super temperment and being socialized with my 2GS mean he will be super stable, which he is already, we will do performance if that is all we can do, I just never thought of a problem. All males I've ever had had 2 but I didn't pay much attention either. So this yoyoing is concerning, sure hope they drop and stay down, at least I now know it is fairly common and he is young enough I needn't panic, just fall more in love with him

 

the one yo-yo ing can be "tacked down" until the inguinal ring is too small for it to pop up....no big deal...

someone I used to know had a litter that two were yo-yos....I felt both pups with 2, was at the vet when checked at 8 weeks, both had 2....one got tacked down, the other one (a coat) had two when sold...and a year and a half later the buyer called to complain he couldn't breed the dog (on limited papers!!!) because he had one testicle! I was there when he was sold (and tried and tried to talk the breeder out of this sale!!!!) and he had two, and the limited WAS in the contract and explained!

Lee

 

Check for them with the puppy laying on his back. if you find both of them, try to work them toweard the sack. if you can get them in the sack, then hold on to them gently and turn the puppy over. Hold onto them for a short time then let the puppy go. I had a pup many years ago that the vet said I wouldnt get the testicle to drop, but I did!

 

Check for them with the puppy laying on his back. if you find both of them, try to work them toweard the sack. if you can get them in the sack, then hold on to them gently and turn the puppy over. Hold onto them for a short time then let the puppy go. I had a pup many years ago that the vet said I wouldnt get the testicle to drop, but I did!

I bet this works better than blowing in their nose.

 

This is my problem with breeding only perfect dogs....Andaka and Wolfstraum, if both of you have been successful with manual manipulations to get the testicle down or get it to stay down....then my question is should this male be bred???? The manual manipulation is not going to be passed to the puppies....the genetic imprint of the dog will. So if we should not breed a dog with an undescended testicle, yet with our intervention the testicle either came down or remained down....is this a breedworthy male???Just curious as to how people see this!

 

If you have to put the ears up, should you breed them?

Would you pass up a dog with a super temperament because he has been known to throw the occasional cryptorchid pup, and breed to a passable dog who is not known for the issue?

I guess it goes on what you are breeding for. A show dog needs for them to have dropped.

If there were only two dogs on the planet, floppy ears or retained tesical will win out over so-so or passable temperament. But if there were only two dogs left on the planet, I had better breed to both.

Is there not enough dogs with credentials and testicles out there though? Should we breed a dog with a known genetic problem if there are dogs that can produce what we are hoping to accomplish without the problem? Some things are linked if it became impossible to find a dog that is exemplary in one area without some history of retained testicles, it would depend on the circumstances.

 

Again Wolfstraum and Andaka,...smile....if the male intervention allows the dog to have them down at two years old, then the dog would have "credentials", but is the same dog that might not have credentials if the intervention wasn't taken??? How do you view this situation?....smile!!

 

Sadly I did return the pup, the vet said the problem was the scrotum wasn't developed right, so there wasn't room for the testicles. He will now go to a performance home. I had really wanted a dog to show, I have 2 German Shepherds, the male not good enough for showing, the female, well I will spay her as I don't like heats, and so wanted one I could occasionally show as a special. And the Belgians can be shown easier by the owner, and so was getting a Terv male. i will find another with the high trainability and stable temperment.

As far as this being a genetic problem, which it is, I don't really care as no matter what mine will never be bred, I won't stud a dog, unless the breeder has a specific reason and she wants to use him, but only then. I will not do it, my dogs are my enjoyment and breeding is just not it for me. Thanks for all the answers, definitely a difficult decision, he was super smart and stable.

 

As far as this being a genetic problem, which it is, I don't really care

I would think you would care, because being that it can be genetic, perhaps the sire of your pup shouldn't have been bred if this was a known issue. Therefore you wouldn't have had to go through this whole experience and subsequently return the pup....

 

I don't want people to think I am targeting Wolfstraum and Andaka, I have respect for them, but this is something I think that is part of understanding that exterior knowledge of the dog is not only not enough but sometimes misleading. Like breeding to an OFA excellent dog that was in a litter of three other dogs that were dysplastic. How many people make breeding decisions based solely on the certs and the appearance???? Then we wonder why things like hips and testicles continue to plague this breed in such high numbers. Just food for discussion.

 

I am so sorry to hear that you had to return him. that has to be so hard. I wish you luck in your search for the one for you.

 

I don't know, I have no problem with returning the pup right off as it has a show fault, and is not going to get better according to the vet, and the dog was purchased as a show dog.

But, there are so many things that might make a puppy not suitable for the show ring as it matures. I would think one buys any show dog with the understanding that they may not turn out, and have a plan for them if that is the case.

 

Lots of info on the condition and some graphic pictures (in case you are squeamish)..

Cryptorchidism and Undescended Testicles - all you need to know.

The article says the trait is autosomal recessive in dogs. Is this known for sure? This would mean both parents carry the gene for the production of cryptorchidism if a male puppy has it. If it is the goal to remove the trait from the breed then neither should be bred again as they can pass the gene along, though sometines unexpressed due to recessive nature. If it is autosomal recessive, then it seems breeding a cryptorchid or possibly cryptorchid dog is perhaps not a good idea as the gene is definitely going to pass to offspring and would then proliferate this gene in the genetic pool.

I heard somewhere that there was rethinking on the genetics of cryptorchidism. I haven't come across any info as to that yet.

 

Seltzer, I so agree, hardest thing to return this pup, and I've never done it before, but there are so many things involved here, and at 12 weeks he will rehome perfectly. He learned lots in the 3 weeks I had him, enjoyed tremendous socializing and training. The testicles are a disqualifying fault. From the first I explained that was THE only fault I wouldn't deal with. If the bite goes bad later or an injury happens or development changes thing and a longer time has happened he would have stayed. This is my last pup that I plan to raise, after the demise of these 2 and the new pup I will only buy older dogs as I will be that much older and not interested in puppy stuff. So was very specific and spent over a year researching and planning. The breeder and I are still friends and she has actually pointed me toward another litter and highly recommended me to them. So we shall see.

 

I know, I understand you want a show puppy, and he is not at this point. And now is the best time to get him in a new home. I am sure the three weeks were probably a good thing too.

I hope there is a good pup in the litter you are looking at.

 

Has anyone heard of homepathic remedies for undecended testicles? there is a company called homeoanimal that sells a remedy. Wanted to see if anyone has heard of this company or any remedies like this. Thanks in advance all.