[DHau]

I read all the posts and the only thing that I want to know is how do you pick your own puppy out of a litter? From my limited experience with dealing with breeders is that they want to match the dog up according to your needs and lifestyle.

 

[Chip Blasiole]

You are putting the cart before the horse. You need to understand what a real protection dog is and if that is what you want and if you can handler the dog, which I doubt or you would not be asking this question. Then you need to learn about dogs/lines that tend to produce the type of dog you are looking for. Then you have to find a breeder willing to sell you the type of pup you are looking for. I would try to find a competent PP dog trainer, and good luck with that. A good one will know where you can probably find a candidate. But if you have little to no experience, this is probably not the dog for you.

 

[berno von der seeweise]

Are you more inclined to hide a needle in a haystack or would you build a haystack around a needle?

the more you recombine (inbreed/linebreed) the more needles you get

I read all the posts and the only thing that I want to know is how do you pick your own puppy out of a litter? From my limited experience with dealing with breeders is that they want to match the dog up according to your needs and lifestyle.

some breeders actually know what they're doing with that...

Like Chip said earlier, I'm not an expert, but I did stay at a holiday inn express last night. Actually I slept in the truck out back Winners gave a pretty good answer top page one. Personally I put a little more emphasis on prey and a little less on food drive, but he's the expert. I can't train my way out of a wet paper bag. For me it's as simple as either a dog wants to or it don't, and I don't waste much time with the ones that don't.

Please continue, Chip.

 

[berno von der seeweise]

before I forget again, a highly respected source casually mentioned in passing recently that bad guys don't respect little private sector mals all that much. Now that's just one expert's opinion, so, not necessarily a "universal truth."

just something to consider when comparing flashy little bsd apples to BIG BAD gsd oranges...

 

[Chip Blasiole]

Does your “highly respected source” sell GSDs? There are plenty of medium/upper medium size Mals that are man stoppers.

 

[Chip Blasiole]

A child might want to learn to read but if you don’t teach them how they won’t.

 

[berno von der seeweise]

tarzan taught himself to read. Might be a good name for a pup? anyway I'm seriously trying to think of a good breed to cross now. I'd just as soon leave the bsd/dsd stuff to the experts. My kid's convinced she see's enough diversity between little igor and the longcoats. If she invests in one we'll give that a go. Personally I'd rather reach a little further outside the box because doing so MAY allow me to backbreed a little tighter.

anybody got any thoughts on something like this? anybody ever seen a gsd cross?

bear in mind I'm not looking to set the world on fire here

I'm only batting ideas around...

 

[David Winners]

I thought you were closing a pup from a local breeder

 

[Bearshandler]

I thought you were closing a pup from a local breeder

🤣🤣🤣 What do you think he is? Your friendly neighborhood dog dealer.

 

[berno von der seeweise]

I'll have access to a cross. I'm just not sure if I want to mess with it? I mean they do share haplotype signatures, but I don't know? I'm really kinda diggin' on the maremma's rusticity, and my gut says stick with pure alpine genetics. No hungarian, no spanish, and none of that flatlander stuff.

 

[David Winners]

🤣🤣🤣 What do you think he is? Your friendly neighborhood dog dealer.

1 out of 3 ain't bad.

 

[berno von der seeweise]

you know it's like that other cross I did. I mean that was a cool dog. WEIRD! but cool. I still have dibs on my pick female, but there's probably hungarian and poodle and who knows what all way back in that ped? so I'm a little leery about that introgression. You get whatever you inbreed, and stuff like that begins to emerge when the peds line up.

if I were a dog dealer I'd be lurkin' w/ all the other dog dealers. But by all means, you gents have a few laughs on me. I'll be swingin' muttpups on my lucky 'ol beansack soon enough here

 

[dogma13]

Pssst ...berno.Tarzan isn't a real person.

 

[berno von der seeweise]

no, tarzan was a real guy?!? wasn't he? maybe that was conan? robin hood?

 

[Bearshandler]

I don't see any reason to grill you berno on your breeding. Its not hard to tell where I stand based on my posts here. I doubt you find any good prospects from that breeding you did. I'd be willing the bet the price of a quality pup on it.

 

[berno von der seeweise]

please define "good" BH

just kidding. As BH and I agreed earlier, it's not near as simple as 1+2 = schH3. You can't just put 2 dogs together and call it "improvement." You have to follow through. Whether or not I'll even keep back remains to be seen. Meanwhile, given the genetic potential involved, I am cautiously optimistic about what may be out in the box. They seem to be growing pretty good, so far.

And I'm here to be grilled, BH. That's the whole point. No offense intended, but this consortium is as close as I'm going to get to "peer review."

 

[David Winners]

berno, the biggest piece of advice I can give you is to go to Mike at LHK and get a serous working dog. Then take that dog to PSA1. Live with it for 4 years, continually training, and then decide what you think is a good dog.

You are trying to be a chef without ever tasting good food. Trying to be an artist but only using coloring books. Trying to be a musician without ever listening to Dream Theater.

You have this picture in your head that has no basis in reality, and you are producing animals that may harm others and / or die because of your ignorance.

 

[Bearshandler]

I have an 8 month old. Environmentally sound, social, highly confident, driven, intense in just about everything he does. Very pack oriented, easy to train. inquisitive, focused, little back down. Willing to bite anything he's allowed. Has a full grip you can feel through a competition sleeve. That is a good prospect to me.

 

[David Winners]

I have an 8 month old. Environmentally sound, social, highly confident, driven, intense in just about everything he does. Very pack oriented, easy to train. inquisitive, focused, little back down. Willing to bite anything he's allowed. Has a full grip you can feel through a competition sleeve. That is a good prospect to me.

Are you going to breed him to a poodle mix any time soon?

 

[Bearshandler]

Are you going to breed him to a poodle mix any time soon?

Uh no. He still hasn't proven he's worth breeding, still just a prospect. I probably wouldn't ever even consider breeding to something like that. I don't even know what would be produced from that, which is a big issue. Dogs with the potential to be serious aren't something to be played with. Not to mention, I'd probably be disowned by everyone I respect. Not to mention his breeder banging on my door.