[berno von der seeweise]

We're not trying to imprint for vpat. We want to expose/condition/imprint as best we can for everything that comes AFTER vpat. I tried it both ways years ago, repeat breeding, and the difference was night and day.

I realize all you top tier expert trainers at least think you want a totally green pup and that's fine with me. I think top tier breeder's should by all means supply that demand. But I mean, c'mon now. Let's don't forget this is berno we're talkin' to over here. Remember me? Hello?!?

 

[Bearshandler]

Here is the video I was looking for.

 

[Tikkie]

Here is my question:

If you have to ask what to select for, are you proficient enough to handle a true personal protection dog?

 

[David Winners]

Here is my question:

If you have to ask what to select for, are you proficient enough to handle a true personal protection dog?

Um, no. Nor are you qualified to attempt to breed them imo.

 

[Sabis mom]

Stalk me all he wants. There’s only one way to find out if Bear will actually bite for real. I’m stationed in sunny San Diego. Feel free to hit me up if you’re in this area. That’s a pretty bug change up. You weren’t wrong. Subs suck. I was on a carrier. Much better quality of life.

I really liked San Diego. Maybe me and the Punk will sneak across the border. I keep saying I want to be somewhere warm and beachy. Maybe I'll stalk you. lol. Bear will just give me kisses.

 

[Bearshandler]

I really liked San Diego. Maybe me and the Punk will sneak across the border. I keep saying I want to be somewhere warm and beachy. Maybe I'll stalk you. lol. Bear will just give me kisses.

For a pretty aloof dog, he seems to fall for women. I think he's one of those dogs that would be probably work better with one.

 

[Chip Blasiole]

None of this is like a medical test such as an EKG that shows A fib or a biopsy that shows cancer. Any tests are simply snapshots and indications of potential strengths and weaknesses. Some can be very obvious, but berno, you are still leaving out the training effect. Tests can give you an idea of aptitude but they are not definitive in terms of actual ability. You are still looking for a shortcut instead of hands on experience and observation. Until you get past that mindset you are just spinning your wheels.

 

[berno von der seeweise]

Um, no. Nor are you qualified to attempt to breed them imo.

just wait 'till Chip shows up. I only hope he doesn't have an aneurysm this time.

just breathe, Chip. And Please don't get yourself banned. It's not worth it.

edit: oh! he beat me here by just a fraction of a second...

 

[berno von der seeweise]

I realize vpat is not a title unto itself but @ 49 days, it's all the breeder has

you can't grow them all out yourself, so you just try to put the right ones in the right homes

 

[tim_s_adams]

Berno, darn it, you select a bold, forward, confident puppy, then you imprint, shape, and create the dog you're after.

Of course you knew this coming in, and it never ceases to amaze me how a thread like this can generate so many posts!

Your mixed breed mongrel puppies are very cute! Watch them, you'll know the best protection prospects...

 

[berno von der seeweise]

Thank you, Mister Sir! mutts are always cute @ 10 days old....

if anyone cares or dares to hazard even the foggiest guess at what those coats/colors might do, I'd love to know? totally unfamiliar type to me? quite unlike anything I've seen here before? the rusty metal background is a little misleading. That one seems awfully red to me?

Mods if it's possible to edit the title to this thread and rename it "trainwreck" I'd appreciate it. Holey cats! that's it!! Von Zugwrack!!!

 

[Sabis mom]

Thank you, Mister Sir! mutts are always cute @ 10 days old....

if anyone cares or dares to hazard even the foggiest guess at what those coats/colors might do, I'd love to know? totally unfamiliar type to me? quite unlike anything I've seen here before? the rusty metal background is a little misleading. That one seems awfully red to me?

How would we know what colors/coats when we don't even know what they are.

Yes all puppies are cute, all baby animals are cute. Baby gators are adorable, doesn't mean I think people should be breeding gators. On the other hand, you were looking for a protection candidate right? Something about prey drive and full bites?

 

[Chip Blasiole]

Berno,
Can you be honest about your reticence to learn about training and reading dogs as they develop in response to training? I can appreciate a lack of resources but you are entertaining fantasy not reality. I have seen some pretty mediocre dogs progress very nicely with good training. Granted, everyone wants the dog with the ultimate genetics for your goals, but that is not how the world works except for a few rare exceptions. You have to put in the work and have access to good training.

 

[berno von der seeweise]

How would we know what colors/coats when we don't even know what they are.

well I was really kinda hoping that would be the fun part. Guessing, I mean.

 

[Chip Blasiole]

Your silence is deafening.

 

[berno von der seeweise]

not how the world works except for a few rare exceptions. You have to put in the work and have access to good training.

agreed, Chip. I don't expect we're dealing with "rare exceptions" by any stretch of the imagination. Just typical mutts. "Half german shepherd." No more, no less. But I hope we'll both be surprised by what they accomplish between now and day 49. I amaze myself all the time, so that half of the equation is pretty well in the bag. Not near as confident about your end of it, but I'll do my best.

 

[tim_s_adams]

This is a mix between your DDR boy and that Italian terrier dog you pictured earlier?

 

[Chip Blasiole]

You are deluding yourself that some type of early special imprinting and some type of outcrossing breeding will result in an advanced mutant. Genetics and early imprinting are important but sustained, good training is what yields the best results. You clearly are not willing to put in the work. I don’t even think your intention is to have a well trained dog.

 

[berno von der seeweise]

I don’t even think your intention is to have a well trained dog.

I'm definitely on the lookout for genetic obedience here

This is a mix between your DDR boy and that Italian terrier dog you pictured earlier?

this is the dam. Rather than insisting what I think I know she is, if I keep back a pup, I'll double dna (mars and embark) and insist on whichever result I like best.

 

[tim_s_adams]

You are deluding yourself that some type of early special imprinting and some type of outcrossing breeding will result in an advanced mutant. Genetics and early imprinting are important but sustained, good training is what yields the best results. You clearly are not willing to put in the work. I don’t even think your intention is to have a well trained dog.

I don't know Chip, seems like you're projecting a lot that Berno, the ever elusive Berno, has not yet disclosed. Maybe he does a lot. Maybe he does a little. You sure can't tell from anything he's said here...cause he ain't said shot!