[MayzieGSD]

Originally Posted By: Wisc.Tiger
Committment is one thing, but honestly if one of my dogs wanted and expressed that want in the actions described in Situation A & C to live some place else where they were happier why would I want to keep them and make them unhappy. Geeze these dogs only live 10 - 14 years why can't their time be happy also.

Disclaimer - I haven't rehomed a dog in over 25 years.

I think that it's not black and white - keep them and make them unhappy or give them to someone who makes them happy. I think I have the ability to change what I'm currently doing to make my dog happy. If the dog was happy with me initially, something changed and it wasn't the dog's personality - it was something the dog's human did (not being home, taking on another dog, etc). In the situations described I think there were a lot of decisions leading up to the extreme circumstances described that led to the dog's unhappiness.

Disclaimer - I'm not judging anyone, just stating what I would do in these situations.

 

[Branca's Mom]

Something is only WORTH what someone else is willing to PAY FOR IT!!

House prices in distressed areas are often "worth" what they were in 2000. People were fooling themselves if they thought RE values were going up forever. It was a bubble.. it popped. such is life

Back to dogs...

It is easy to say in a hypothetical situation what we would or would not do. Let it happen for real... and it might not be so easy.

 

[MayzieGSD]

Originally Posted By: Nikkoli110She just sold LAST MONTH! She went from $235k, finally sold for $175k. Even before the huge inflation of prices, it was worth $200k. She had to take a big loss or she would have had to foreclose. House was worth at least $220k.

Houses are only worth what someone is willing to pay. If she could only sell it for $175k, it was only worth $175k

ETA: LOL Branca's mom, I just posted the same thing! you were quicker!

 

[Hundguy]

Where did the, "5 dogs" re-homed come from??

I can tell you as a breeder I envy all the pet home people who just have that 1 house pet/dog.. It has been sooo, long since I was only with one dog, I just remember it as a bit more of a special bond.
With that being said, as a breeder I purchase breeding females and place them with others so they can have a more normal life than in one of my kennels!!

Is that not better for the dog?


It's funny to me that everyone want to go after Carolina for placing her rescue dog, but I feel it was and still is in the dogs best interest not hers..

Someone stated the dogs don't care that the situation they are living in is not the most ideal.. Neither do dogs left out on a chain or sitting in a small box waiting for you to get home, but that does not make it right or best for the dog!!!

How many of you have dogs siting in crates right now at home? How many? How many hours per day do they get out of their little boxes?

40 inches Long X 27 inches Wide X 30 inches High
That's the size of a 500 crate..

How many hours per day do they sit in this box? Lets say you actually have a job, and that you crate them for sleeping arrangements as well.. So is that 18-20hrs a day in a box?

20hrs a day

140hrs a week

564hrs a month

6,768hrs a year

X how many years does your dog live???

Yea baby, "Now thats livin"!!!

And people want to say that the dog doesn't know any better so he/she is ok with that?? Shame on whoever thinks that way...
Trust me, I have had too many dogs and had dogs crated, day after day.. I would run them and give them yard time but really how many hours a day does that equal? 4yrs??? I hated it but, as a breeder/trainer dogs come and go..

Maybe one day I will get down to that one special dog again... But for now I do the best for the dogs, if that means placing one in a home sure I'll do it.. Just not Valcko!!!


Oh or Jenna... ok maybe not Zeno either...

 

[angelaw]

psssttt..... you could send Zeno to Florida for vacation

or valcko

 

[MayzieGSD]

Originally Posted By: HundguyIt's funny to me that everyone want to go after Carolina for placing her rescue dog, but I feel it was and still is in the dogs best interest not hers..

Someone stated the dogs don't care that the situation they are living in is not the most ideal.. Neither do dogs left out on a chain or sitting in a small box waiting for you to get home, but that does not make it right or best for the dog!!!

How many of you have dogs siting in crates right now at home? How many? How many hours per day do they get out of their little boxes?

40 inches Long X 27 inches Wide X 30 inches High
That's the size of a 500 crate..

How many hours per day do they sit in this box? Lets say you actually have a job, and that you crate them for sleeping arrangements as well.. So is that 18-20hrs a day in a box?

20hrs a day

140hrs a week

564hrs a month

6,768hrs a year

X how many years does your dog live???

Yea baby, "Now thats livin"!!!

And people want to say that the dog doesn't know any better so he/she is ok with that?? Shame on whoever thinks that way...
Trust me, I have had too many dogs and had dogs crated, day after day.. I would run them and give them yard time but really how many hours a day does that equal? 4yrs??? I hated it but, as a breeder/trainer dogs come and go..

Maybe one day I will get down to that one special dog again... But for now I do the best for the dogs, if that means placing one in a home sure I'll do it.. Just not Valcko!!!

Oh or Jenna... ok maybe not Zeno either...

I didn't see anyone on this thread "go after Carolina", a few people asked her questions about how she made her decision, but no one attacked her. Everyone else just said what they would do, which is what Carolina asked of us "would you do it?"

As a breeder, do you not place dogs with people who work all day? Mayzie is crated (in her 3ftx9ft pen) while we are at work (8hrs) so she doesn't eat the sofa. She sleeps in bed with us and we always make sure she gets exercise in the morning and the evening. Do you think we should rehome her to a stay at home mom or retired person?

 

[G-burg]

Quote:As a breeder, do you not place dogs with people who work all day?

Good point there!

And aren't dogs safer in their crates or confined.. Especially young dogs that are destructive or in there teenage stages? Until the dogs are trust worthy it ain't worth risking my house or my dogs life..

 

[Betty]

Quote:Yikes, poor Val if she every wants to get a pup from any breeder on the board because some will remember this post and not remember that these are hypothetical.

Crud. I took it as a hypothetical number and used it hypothetically because I thought it would be safe...

Ever have one of those moments when you are trying so hard to avoid one pile of doggy doo that you land in a bigger one?

 

[MayzieGSD]

How about this one...

Situation E

You and your spouse are both very athletic. Your lives center around sports. You decide to have a baby thinking that he or she will probably be athletic like his/her parents and the family can have fun doing athletic things together. You have a son. Two years later you have a daughter. Unfortunately, as your son grows up, you find that he hates athletic activities, and is much happier hanging out on the couch with his nose in a book. Your daughter loves althetic activities and is a perfect fit for your faimly. Your sister is a librarian and she and your son love spending time together. She is unable to have children and wants them so bad. You are contemplating rehoming your child with your sister because she is a better fit for his personality and he will be much happier with her instead of dragged along on all of your hikes, bike rides, etc.

 

[angelaw]

I'm sorry, but dogs are NOT children. This is one of the biggest reasons dogs end up in shelters is due to people treating them like they are. My SIL did the same thing. Babied her boxer, refused to listen to training advise, got pregnant, OMG the dog won't behave and won't listen. Going to have to get rid of her, blah blah blah. Told her the last time here's what you need to do, either do it and work with the dog or don't speak to me again. She started working with the dog and listening to what people were telling her and the dog is still in it's home and getting along well with the baby. But she treated as a child until the real one came along.

Same with people that have little dogs, oh he's so cute, no need to teach it manners, it's my baby. Well your baby just took a chunk out of my ankle.

 

[Betty]

Quote:Where did the, "5 dogs" re-homed come from??

Hypothetical number!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Branca's Mom]

Originally Posted By: MayzieGSDHow about this one...

Situation E

You and your spouse are both very athletic. Your lives center around sports. You decide to have a baby thinking that he or she will probably be athletic like his/her parents and the family can have fun doing athletic things together. You have a son. Two years later you have a daughter. Unfortunately, as your son grows up, you find that he hates athletic activities, and is much happier hanging out on the couch with his nose in a book. Your daughter loves althetic activities and is a perfect fit for your faimly. Your sister is a librarian and she and your son love spending time together. She is unable to have children and wants them so bad. You are contemplating rehoming your child with your sister because she is a better fit for his personality and he will be much happier with her instead of dragged along on all of your hikes, bike rides, etc.

Definitely!!!

Good One!!

 

[Hundguy]

MayzieGSD,
If noone was going after Carolina than why would the admin say such things and threaten to shut this topic down??



You could stick the son in the basement in a dog Crate 20hrs a day... I'm sure child services will understand...

 

[wolfstraum]

I really don't see this as anyone attacking Carolina - although some perceived it as such and got on the muscle so to speak.

We have animals because we love them. Sometimes we love them enough to put them in a better situation. Sometimes we love them so much we can't, even when logically, we should.

Pack dynamics often will dictate what dogs a person can keep and stay sane and relatively happy. Rehoming is a personal thing, and when that decision is made by ANYONE, especially those who are active here on this board in particular, I know it is not an easy one. I am sure there is much anguish attached to it for the owner.

The same with having to euthanize a temperamentally unsound dog. In today's world, sometimes that IS the best choice for an unhappy, unsafe dog. There are too few good homes out there who can take this on responsibly and make it work. Let's face it, there are tons of dogs who could be good companions who are put down and in face of BSL, anyone who cares about this breed has to make hard choices because of the so called breeders who are only out to make a buck and don't care what they produce and to whom it is sold. This may be an unpopular philosphy, but it is the cold hard truth.

Yes, dogs are crated alot in our society. Frankly, they are often safer in crates than out in a run while the owners are at work. I have seen dogs who are crated at night, crated during teh work day, go to their crates and crash 2 or 3 hours before "bedtime".

The question was asked, answered and discussed. No one "attacked" Carolina! Some posters said they would keep the longest term dogs - some would make anything work - some did not consider either scenerio. Looking at the dynamics of teh backgrounds of people helps understand their perspective. As someone interested in sport, and breeding, I can understand why choices are made. I have dogs I would NEVER give up. But I have rehomed other dogs who are terrifically happy in their new situations, much more than if they had stayed.

Lee

 

[MayzieGSD]

Originally Posted By: HundguyMayzieGSD,
If noone was going after Carolina than why would the admin say such things and threaten to shut this topic down??

Honestly, I'm not sure. That confused me. Did you see anyone attacking Carolina on this thread because I looked back over it and I don't see it. Unless something was deleted

Originally Posted By: Hundguy
You could stick the son in the basement in a dog Crate 20hrs a day... I'm sure child services will understand...

Who is advocating crating a dog for 20 hours a day?

 

[WiscTiger]

OK, we are STRAYING again. Darn if I am not going to have to get e-collars out for all of your strayers..........

OK Betty, Hypothetical number.

MayzieGSD, my nephew was a kid who would have been better out in the country than in the city. His parents had no interest in the things he was intersted in motor head type kid. So on weekends he would come with DH and I when we went worked Tractor pulls, he got to see the Monster trucks the tractors, we took him to car races. The few stipulations I put on him was that he had to maintain or better his grades in school. So while you can't rehome kids, plenty of parents find people who have the same interst as their kids.

Val

 

[Betty]

This thread brought up some good points and got me thinking about some stuff. I'm going to bow out of it because it's like walking on a land mine with all the accusations of bashing and what not.

For the life of me I don't see where Carolina was attacked, but I think she is regreting starting the thread and by the warning posts, board managment certainly feels that she is being treated unfairly.

 

[WiscTiger]

I guess maybe I have a different way of looking at things. Yes I understand my committment, BUT if one of my dogs would really be in a better situation for them than my house, I feel that I would not be living up to my committment to give them the best home. Would I have mixed emotions, yes. But if I had taken my time and checked and double checked things and I could see my dog was happier away from me then I would rehome. My heart always wants what is BEST for my dogs.

I guess what helps me is I have rehomed dogs. When a dog of yours falls in love with a child that needs him and the dog needs this child, who was I to stand in their way and say no. The dog needed more attention than I was ever able to give him. When it was time for him to go with his new owner I put on the leash and was going to walk him to the car. This dog never pulled a day in his life, he lunged and pulled the leash out of my hand and scurried into the back seat with his child. He never looked back as the vehicle left the driveway.

I don't have to live up to anyone's expectations of me as an owner or a person. I have to answer to myself and it you believe in a maker then I would include that.

Val

 

[pupresq]

I think people are missing the point of MayzieGSD's scenario. Yes, we know we shouldn't treat dogs like children. The point is that you enter into certain kinds of relationships with a commitment. Sometimes things don't turn out the way you thought they would and you have to make adjustments. But the general point that comes up in many of these scenarios and is the underpinning of her's is that it's not a choice between doing things the way you thought you would and going somewhere else. The third option is that you CHANGE your approach. Your dog doesn't like Schutzhund? Find another activity. Your child isn't athletic? Find things you can do together that you both enjoy. If you're serious about a commitment then you will be flexible.

If someone choses not to change their approach and rehome the dog instead, that's their prerogative. Plenty of people do it. They want the dog to "fit" with their lifestyle. Sometimes a dog is a bad fit from the beginning, other times the dog fit fine until the owner changed something and now it no longer fits. Okay. People are going to do what they're going to do and it doesn't make them horrible people, but these situations are NOT the same as a sudden and unexpected illness or some other reason to rehome a dog that does not hinge on personal choices. Nor would I say that they are acting with only the dog's interests in mind.

 

[doxsee]

I've never rehomed a dog. However, sometimes I think that the only reason Jester hasn't been rehomed is because I'm too darn selfish to put him in a better home.

Love the dog, but this house isn't the right fit for him and he's really not the right fit for us. He loves me, but is terrified of my husband (and most men in his age group). I can tell that he is unhappy and is under a lot of stress. He will lick his paws until they have sores. The vet put him on medication for separation anxiety. Didn't work. Made him a zombie and he stopped eating. He lost so much weight I freaked out and took him off of them. (He has never been overweight).

He isn't a very active dog. Many of the activities we do don't include him. Not because we wouldn't be willing to take him, but because he hates it. The second he is outside, he wants to be inside.

The perfect home for Jester would be with a retired person or couple. Someone who was a homebody and didn't have other dogs or had a mellow dog. Nothing would please Jester more than to be curled up by someone's feet with a bully stick all day.

I know that this is not the right home for him. But like I said, I'm selfish. I've thought about contacting a Papillon rescue group to see if they had any one in mind for him. But everytime I get even close to contacting them, I cry and I don't.

I am selfish.