[moribelle]

Dear Ruth, that will be an easy one because my sister and great aunt are named Ruth.

Firstly, it sounds as though you've gone to the link : google: Osseus Enterprises, then Veterinary Medicine, and read the write up we have there. Is that correct? (and by the way, I'm a nerd too, so we'll have alot to talk about, especially since I'm a nurse by profession and enjoy explaining things in detail to folks.)
So have you done that yet?
Sherry

 

[moribelle]

and yes, Ruth, I have lots of info. to share, but I want to be careful not to appear solicitous concerning my company. The moderators have been very kind to let me introduce this treatment, and I wish to remain in good standing because I also love the German Shepherd folks.
Perhaps we should discuss things over the phone or by personal e-mail. The phone number is listed on the link I gave you.

Oh yeah, concerning the sables, they are MAGNIFICENT aren't they? I can't wait to show everyone my guys if I can ever figure out how to get them on here!
Nite nite for now!
Sherry

 

[Brightelf]

I second what Ruth said-- watch the rescue sections here. They get lots and lots of beautiful sables! The dog you get would not be exactly like your old dog, but, would give you so much love. My next dog will probably be a rescue, too!

And thanks for the compliments on Grimm.

You are right-- the sables are beautiful!

 

[kallie]

I found what she is referring to, I believe. However, it really gives you no more info. I was interested in reading more "research info" on this...

Anyway..You had to do a search by: Osseus Enterprises, LLC..Then it pulls up what she is referring to. It pays to have lived on the net this long..

LINK

Jen

 

[Fodder]

Originally Posted By: kallieI found what she is referring to, I believe. However, it really gives you no more info. I was interested in reading more "research info" on this...

Anyway..You had to do a search by: Osseus Enterprises, LLC..Then it pulls up what she is referring to. It pays to have lived on the net this long..

LINK

Jen

ya, i was able to figure it out, the ".com" is what was confusing me... i'm not sure if i'm still unclear, but it seems that the procedure is only avail (for canines) thru that company, and in colorado. is that how you understood it?

 

[BowWowMeow]

The link posted is simply a sort of press release as far as I can tell. If you can post a link to the research I think we would be all interested in reading it.

Thanks!

 

[Skye'sMom]

Quote: Hey Patty, is Grimm intact? The reason I ask is he's so magnificent and my breeder has been trying to get another silver sable for me for 14yrs, ever since I bought my Pan from her, he's been irreplaceable.
I know Grimm is more sable, but if she were to breed him to a white shepherd she has, it just might work.

Hello, Moribelle;

I am curious about your canine 'background.' Do you work for a pharmaceutical (sp?) company, or do you work directly with canines in research.

I ask for two reasons - first I am surprised you would come on a GSD board and ask about breeding a male with unknown background (no offence intended, BrightElf - Grimmy is beautiful and we love him.) If you spend a little time in the rescue or breeding section, you can see we take breeding seriously. That's why most of us - don't.

Two - some of the information is a little vague. I have an elderly dog and would love to hear of a great arthritis medication, but I would want to know specific test results first.

I apologize if you have already responded to this and I missed it. Do you mind giving us some background?

Thank you.

 

[moribelle]

Information on who to contact about this product can be found in moribelle's post here: http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?tsn=1&nav=messages&webtag=ab-vetmedicine&tid=7487

More information about this therapy can be found by googling: irap therapy . The first page that will probably show up is this one:
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/horse-health/2006/October/30/New-arthritis-therapy.aspx

 

[Skye'sMom]

Wow - I wasn't expecting such a defensive response. I just asked a couple of questions. You asked Patty on a public forum (not a PM) about breeding her Grimm to a white gsd. We can only see what you post, not what is behind the scenes.


I saw that a couple of other long time members had followed your link and did not find the research they were hoping to see. I was also interested in the research, not making personal contact with you.

We regular members do not have access to any discussions you have with moderators. I did not imply that you were 'breaking any rules.'

Yes - to me you do sound like a salesperson, even though a salesperson of what could be a great breakthrough. Not the first to cross over from equine to canine treatments. That's just me personally - not the board.

I applaud you for your nursing experience - it sounds amazing. However, I was interested in your canine experiences and how you came to be working in research on canine arthritis. One of the vets I most respect was formerly a doctor and changed to veterinary medicine - I find that interesting!

Obviously I have offended you. That was not my intent - information was the driver in my questions.

I will work through my vets for further information rather than further slowing this post by asking what I thought were legitimate questions.

 

[Cooper&me]

The 100% positive claim also sounded like a sales rep to me. NOTHING works for every case. Either the sample was too small to be credible OR this was a false statement.

Whatever the motive's, my dog did have positive results with the irap but my vet is the first to say it is not effective for all types of arthritis.

Also had a good results with a Equine cream called Surpass. It is a pain relif plus anti-inflamitory.

 

[valleydog]

Having owned horses for 20 + years, I've seen so many treatments- medications- ideas move from horses to dogs and then to humans. Also known several horse vets who self medicated with horse medicine. (not recommended, just observed!)

 

[moribelle]

Dear Michelle, I would agree with your vet when he says nothing works on ALL animals 100% of the time. And I would say that about people as well. I never claimed otherwise . If you'll read the information from the link, (listed above) it explains our position.
You sent me your vet's contact information the other day, it seems to be missing in action. Would you be so kind as to lend it to me again?
And good jingles to your puppy, I'm very happy he's doing well with his IRAP treatment.
Sherry

 

[BowWowMeow]

Moribelle,

I think the main issue here is that we're not used to solicitation on here, even when it's polite.

Thanks for posting additional information. I think we're all more comfortable doing the research on our own.

It also just so happens that the people posting on here are rescue supporters. There is a section on this board for breeders but none of them are in this thread. Several of us who have been asking questions about this treatment have rescue dogs and think they are absolutely the best (and in my case, the only way to go!) so we always make a plug for rescue.

 

[Fodder]

^however, i wouldnt recommend going to the breeders forum and mentioning breeding for color and/or breeding a wgsd either. its very likely to start a breeding to standard debate.

just my two cents.

 

[moribelle]

Dearest Ruth, I'm so glad you responded again, it gives me a chance to clear the air a bit from my point of view. I must be honest with you though, I will stand my ground in stating I feel some of you have been unfair and not open to really listening to another's point of view or experiences. But, then again, perhaps it is I who have treaded into a "clique-ish" situation unawares. I've always liked the people who own GS's, and admire the bravery it must take for you to shelter the homeless. (not to mention the expense!). Your efforts are not unappreciated. At least not from me.

But in fairness, there are many of us who desire to pick our own pup, and for many many reasons. Adoption is not for everyone, and while I admire what you do, it is such a worthwhile cause, if you expect me to accept you as a genuine caregiver of these wonderful beasts, and respect your viewpoint and position, isn't it only fair that you respect mine as well, and not admonish me for my viewpoint? We are different, that is what makes the world go round. And you know, that's just ok. It doesn't mean we can't be friends because we don't agree on this subject. I don't expect my spoiled deer chihuahua would turn her nose up at your rescued doggies, in fact she'd probably cuddle up with one of them. That's what she used to do with my big guy. Right where it was the warmest, under his tail! She was his perpetual baby. We should take our cues from them, Ruth.

And Ruth, I never solicited anyone. I was allowed to introduce this treatment for everyone's information, and if they were interested, then they could contact me for further information. There are MANY people on this website who add their personal business websites and links, even you guys, to tell who is up for adoption.
My introduction was just to let people know there is a wonderful alternative to other standard treatments.

It saddens me that suspicion and bias can cause so many unnecessary problems, when kind communication can make us so much better.
I only wish you the best, and good luck with your rescues! Sherry

 

[moribelle]

Just FYI Ruth, the moderators picked this thread to place my post, if you feel it's inappropriate , perhaps you should tell them directly. I wasn't aware anyone held a moratorium on any thread on this website. I thought it was for all to enjoy. Have a nice evening.

 

[BowWowMeow]

Not sure what to say...certainly wasn't meaning to make you feel defensive but instead to provide an explanation for our responses. There are tons of people on this board, all with different interests, opinions and posting styles. As posters go, I'm fairly easy going unless we're talking politics or aversive v. positive training methods.

Perhaps approaching things from the standpoint of how this therapy helped your own dog might work better?

As for your comments about rescues--again, I was trying to explain why people responded in the way that they did. And, as Skye's Mom said, I think we were taken aback by the request to breed in the middle of a thread on a treatment for canine arthritis. Anyway, I promise I won't try to mend any more fences here.

Best of luck,

 

[moribelle]

Just another thought Ruth, I double checked the website thread where my information is posted, (just to be complete in my assessment where I am posting this information in case there had been a mistake, ) and it is under "Health and Wellness", not the dog rescue site. , so therefore I do feel the moderators made the right choice. I'll be sure not to post on the dog rescue site though.

 

[BowWowMeow]

Moribelle,

I really have no idea what you're talking about. Just to be clear: I was not trying to mean to you in any of the posts I made in this thread. And I don't think any of the other posters were either. If the mods see how far we're straying from the topic and the tone of the posts they will lock it. So assuming you want to educate people about your canine arthritis treatment I'd suggest we drop all this other stuff and return to that topic, ok?

 

[LisaT]

BowWowMeow, I think returning to the topic is a great idea

(cool new smilies I haven't had a chance to use since I've been away....)

Moribelle did ask first if she could post about this information, not necessarily to sell it, but to make people aware of it's existence. I think it's a difficult line to straddle (educating versus selling). Hopefully this thread will turn back into the direction of educating and, as you say, we can drop the other stuff.

I believe that Cosequin was one of the supplements that started in horses and moved to K9s.

Maybe Moribelle you can actually post more about the details instead of contact info.