[cloudpump]

What muzzle is he wearing?

 

[Slamdunc]

What muzzle is he wearing?

A Ray Allen:

Ray Allen Gray Leather Agitation Muzzle | Agitation Muzzle | Training Muzzle | Ray Allen Manufacturing

size 9

 

[newlie]

Always love your videos, they are great to watch, and very interesting!

 

[melissajancie]

thanks for putting the link up for the vests. It was hoping to find a link to do a paypal location and it was there! Now I just have to figure out how to share that link on my FB page.


I am loving all of the information and the training videos, pictures, etc. that you are sharing with us. I hope that you will continue to share your awesome accomplishments on a regular basis. Thank you and your partners for doing such a great job day in and day out. You have many more fans than you realize.

 

[Jenny720]

Cool video! Great job!!!!

 

[Slamdunc]

Newly, Melissa and Jenny, thanks. I appreciate it.

Here is a link to the Spikes K9 Fund face book page:

https://www.facebook.com/spikesk9fund/

Right under the cover photo is a "share" button. I would really appreciate the "share." We are very involved with this organization and Jimmy is doing great things to help working dogs and keep them safe. The donation is awesome!

 

[Jenny720]

Newly, Melissa and Jenny, thanks. I appreciate it.

Here is a link to the Spikes K9 Fund face book page:

https://www.facebook.com/spikesk9fund/

Right under the cover photo is a "share" button. I would really appreciate the "share." We are very involved with this organization and Jimmy is doing great things to help working dogs and keep them safe. The donation is awesome!

Is a great idea. I shared on my Pinterest page and will take a photo and will share on my Instagram page when it is working right won't let me load anything. I don't have my own Facebook page but will pass on to others that do. Thanks!

 

[newlie]

Newly, Melissa and Jenny, thanks. I appreciate it.

Here is a link to the Spikes K9 Fund face book page:

https://www.facebook.com/spikesk9fund/

Right under the cover photo is a "share" button. I would really appreciate the "share." We are very involved with this organization and Jimmy is doing great things to help working dogs and keep them safe. The donation is awesome!

Done! I have asked all my family and friends to share as well.

 

[Hineni7]

Loved the video.. Boru is awesome.. I noticed he went for some, uh, sensitive spots when he realized the muzzle was restricting his fun in the bite... Hope the decoy was wearing a cup... I feel for any bad guy who goes for you!

 

[Julian G]

@Slamdunc so in real life situations, how can you be sure the dog will know the difference between you being on the bottom or the top? And why do they sometimes nail the handler? Bad vision?

 

[Slamdunc]

Jenny and Newlie, thank you very much for the shares!

Anderson Cooper is another big supporter of Spikes K9 fund and made a huge donation to kick off the K9 Krieger ballistic vest campaign. The more shares and exposure that Jimmy and Spikes K9 gets is great. Jimmy is a true war here and there are several books and movies made about him and his guys. He is a great guy doing great things for working dogs. I believe he has equipped about 200 K-9s this past year with new vests.

 

[Slamdunc]

Loved the video.. Boru is awesome.. I noticed he went for some, uh, sensitive spots when he realized the muzzle was restricting his fun in the bite... Hope the decoy was wearing a cup... I feel for any bad guy who goes for you!

I am going to feel a little bad for any suspect that doesn't heed my warnings. I think with Boru I may give extra warnings.

Thanks! We generally don't wear a cup, but some guys do wear a vest. I know someone that wound up with a ruptured spleen from muzzle fighting. The muzzles are hard and it's like getting punched or hit with a bat. That guy had a long drive home and told me he was popping advil the whole next day. :wink2:

 

[Slamdunc]

@Slamdunc so in real life situations, how can you be sure the dog will know the difference between you being on the bottom or the top? And why do they sometimes nail the handler? Bad vision?

That is exactly the reason we were training this scenario, so the dog targets correctly in real life situations. "Bad vision?" No, the dogs have exceptional vision. Our training is designed to incorporate real life situations and get as close as possible to them safely.

 

[Julian G]

That is exactly the reason we were training this scenario, so the dog targets correctly in real life situations. "Bad vision?" No, the dogs have exceptional vision. Our training is designed to incorporate real life situations and get as close as possible to them safely.

I'm asking because I would like to think that our dogs know not to bite us. I am a bit disapointed that so many dogs need to be trained to know not to attack the handler in this situation.

 

[MineAreWorkingline]

To my understanding, it has to do with a pack situation and that dogs like to be on the winning side.

It happens frequently in doggie day cares, and on occasion in dog parks, where two dogs get into a fight and all the dogs jump on the dog that is down, regardless of prior friendly terms and allegiances.

I have spoke to a few breeders and trainers about this, and FWIW, I was told that it is less common in dogs when somebody raised it as a puppy and more common in dogs that are purchased when they are older, such as for police K9 work.

Interestingly enough, the women breeders said it was less common with women owners than with men owners.

I don't know if any of this is fact but the people that shared this knowledge were reputable people in their breeding and work programs.

 

[Slamdunc]

I'm asking because I would like to think that our dogs know not to bite us. I am a bit disapointed that so many dogs need to be trained to know not to attack the handler in this situation.

That is why we train this. It is eye opening and a handler needs to know before it happens on the street. It is not so much disappointing as it is reality. Many dogs go for the person on the bottom. Most people will never need to worry about this or train for it. However, us a K-9 handlers (or bone headed morons) need to train for very violent encounters and we rely on our dogs to be there for for us. It would be really disappointing to be in a serious encounter and not know how your dog will respond. That is why we train and work through it.

 

[Slamdunc]

MAW,

Very good post.

IME, it has to do with training and the picture the dog normally sees. It could be related to pack structure and ganging up on the weaker individual.

I do not agree that it is less common with dogs raised as pups. I raised Boomer from a 7 week old pup, we were bonded, have a great relationship, no handler aggression and he wore me out the first time we did this. Boru came to me as a 3 1/2 year old dog, had several handlers and was perfect the first time. It really depends on the dog.

 

[Julian G]

That is why we train this. It is eye opening and a handler needs to know before it happens on the street. It is not so much disappointing as it is reality. Many dogs go for the person on the bottom. Most people will never need to worry about this or train for it. However, us a K-9 handlers (or bone head morons) need to train for very violent encounters and we rely on our dogs to be there for for us. It would be really disappointing to be in a serious encounter and not know how your dog will respond. That is why we train and work through it.

Can you give me a run down of what you do to train this? I see you put yourself in the situation of being on the bottom, if the dog goes for you instead of the attacker how do you correct or fix this?
Thanks in advance

 

[Julian G]

To my understanding, it has to do with a pack situation and that dogs like to be on the winning side.

It happens frequently in doggie day cares, and on occasion in dog parks, where two dogs get into a fight and all the dogs jump on the dog that is down, regardless of prior friendly terms and allegiances.

I have spoke to a few breeders and trainers about this, and FWIW, I was told that it is less common in dogs when somebody raised it as a puppy and more common in dogs that are purchased when they are older, such as for police K9 work.

Interestingly enough, the women breeders said it was less common with women owners than with men owners.

I don't know if any of this is fact but the people that shared this knowledge were reputable people in their breeding and work programs.

This had been said by a dog trainer, not a very big name in the dog world but it makes perfect sense to me. He said that the handler should NEVER be the one holding the prey item or be the prey by wearing a bite sleeve or something of the sort. He teaches his pups from a very young age that when the handler gives the bite or attack command, the dog must always look for "something or someone else" to bite. So basically you have the pup or dog on the leash and have someone else be or hold the prey.
Makes perfect sense to me, don't put the thought of biting the handler into the dogs mind at all and it should lessen the chance of the handler ever getting bitten.

 

[Slamdunc]

Can you give me a run down of what you do to train this? I see you put yourself in the situation of being on the bottom, if the dog goes for you instead of the attacker how do you correct or fix this?
Thanks in advance

Like any other dog training concept, we break it down into fundamental components and work on each component. If there is an issue we take a step back and work through it. It depends on the dog, some get it after three or four reps. If not it t is rather detailed. We go through various reps with the handler and decoy in various positions. If that is not working we may add a decoy and bite suit and work through it. It is a little involved to explain.