Found a local person who gets his dogs from Europe and has a trained 18 month old West German showline male for sale at $6,000. The dog is obedience trained, housebroken, will do the usual sit, stay, come, etc. and responds to some basic hand signals. Dog will also be trained with a collar that can call the dog back from up to a few hundred yards if necessary. Have met the dog a few times and he is great with kids and appears to be socialized in all sorts of situations involving other dogs, kids, cities, etc. This is not a protection dog. What do you think? Am I about to pay too much? I'm in CT.
A2Was
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Does the dog have his hip and elbow 'a' stamps?? Does his pedigree paperwork have his name and microchip and the stamps - and is the paper a pink color? Does the back page of the pedigree have any titles listed? A "BH" maybe? Is the paperwork in order and has the imported already done the AKC registration?
This person is a broker, and of course is making a profit on the dog. However, an imported dog of decent pedigree with basic training and stable temperament in NY - CT is not going to be cheap. If you like the dog, can afford it, and the hips & elbows etc are done, it is not an outrageous price.
Lee
This person is a broker, and of course is making a profit on the dog. However, an imported dog of decent pedigree with basic training and stable temperament in NY - CT is not going to be cheap. If you like the dog, can afford it, and the hips & elbows etc are done, it is not an outrageous price.
Lee
He would have to be able to make me a cuppa to drink while he does the housework......and.....pick up his own poop!!!ps.....I can call my dogs back from a few hundred yards.....I use my voice....not a collar....
http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/urgent/178059-brooklyn-ny-female-stunner-dumped-high-kill.html
Here you go - go visit this one - for all you know, that "broker" got the male he is selling just like this.....given the lack of documentation he is willing to show you.......
Lee
Here you go - go visit this one - for all you know, that "broker" got the male he is selling just like this.....given the lack of documentation he is willing to show you.......
Lee
My dog basically had all that except the collar thing, and she was not even a 10th of that price. For that much I would expect at the very least advanced obedience training, and probably some type of title.
I have to agree that is quite high for what you've described. Don't lose sight of the fact that GSDs are quite intelligent naturally and with not much effort you could probably train a puppy to do what you've described. I did and paid about 10 percent of that asking price! For 6K I'd expect that the dog poops gold nuggets, and then I would be more than happy to pick up after him!
a dog that's socialized involving other cities is worth
more than $6,000.00.. when you get him come back
and compare his breeding and his training to our
$1,000.00 to $3,500.00 dogs. :laugh:
more than $6,000.00.
. when you get him come backand compare his breeding and his training to our
$1,000.00 to $3,500.00 dogs. :laugh:
There are a lot of Showline breeders who sell puppies in the 2000 - 3000 dollar range - so getting an older import with some training and socialization for that amount (6000) may not be too much - if you feel that the dog is worth it for you.
Personally it is too much for me, but the world of West German Showlines is unique, and many people think nothing of spending that much on a dog.
The one thing I would caution you is that regardless of the training and the background, and the socialization and good temperament and the price of the dog, you will still be getting a young, high-energy dog that will need a lot of time and on-going training and work. Not saying that is you, but it seems to me that I often read about buyers who pay a huge amount for a dog with this kind or training, or even already titled, and expect to get a perfect dog that responds to every command 100% of the time, and can be trusted off leash in all sorts of situations (because, hey, look how much you paid for a dog that is so highly trained!). Not saying that is you. You may have very realistic expectations for this dog, but often people do not.
Personally it is too much for me, but the world of West German Showlines is unique, and many people think nothing of spending that much on a dog.
The one thing I would caution you is that regardless of the training and the background, and the socialization and good temperament and the price of the dog, you will still be getting a young, high-energy dog that will need a lot of time and on-going training and work. Not saying that is you, but it seems to me that I often read about buyers who pay a huge amount for a dog with this kind or training, or even already titled, and expect to get a perfect dog that responds to every command 100% of the time, and can be trusted off leash in all sorts of situations (because, hey, look how much you paid for a dog that is so highly trained!). Not saying that is you. You may have very realistic expectations for this dog, but often people do not.
A2Was, I merged your other thread with this one - no need to post the same thing in two different forums, better to just keep all the responses in one place.
I'd say that is too much. That's very basic training that can be accomplished quickly by even first time dog owners. You can get a rescue dog with that kind of training, and they won't charge you for it.
I'd try and settle on a price for just the dog, not any training that went into the dog. Specialized training will increase the price of a dog, but basic training to make the dog easier to live with until you sell it shouldn't increase the price.
I'd try and settle on a price for just the dog, not any training that went into the dog. Specialized training will increase the price of a dog, but basic training to make the dog easier to live with until you sell it shouldn't increase the price.
I wouldn't pay that but some people might.
What is the dogs background and pedigree? You should at least know all that and more for 6000 bucks.
There are people here who would at least understand the bloodlines and pedigree.
What is the dogs background and pedigree? You should at least know all that and more for 6000 bucks.
There are people here who would at least understand the bloodlines and pedigree.
I am currently selling a 2 yo SL male with very solid obedience (turns on a dime for the recall even at a dead run with NO ecollar needed), has done basic tracking and has good protection work thus far. He is for sale for 1/3 of what you mentioned (that's what the buyer and I agreed on thus far). The difference would be that I'm mostly interested in a good family situation for this dog and am willing to compromise to get him in a great family.
There is a guy in our club selling a WL female at about the same training stage as mine and he is asking $3000, the difference being his already has her hips certified.
Maybe prices in the northeast are generally higher, but that seems beyond what I would consider paying.
There is a guy in our club selling a WL female at about the same training stage as mine and he is asking $3000, the difference being his already has her hips certified.
Maybe prices in the northeast are generally higher, but that seems beyond what I would consider paying.
I put that much into training in the past three years, I swear! And my dog only has a BH/though he is worth every cent and more.
But I'd never pay that for a dog that isn't titled, even if I was to use it in a breeding program...I'd rather train the dog myself to see the quirks and strengths. What you pay is up to you, I'd never pay that for a SL with electric recall.
But I'd never pay that for a dog that isn't titled, even if I was to use it in a breeding program...I'd rather train the dog myself to see the quirks and strengths. What you pay is up to you, I'd never pay that for a SL with electric recall.
I think $6000 is too much for just about most any dog. Definitely wouldn't do it if I were you.
The OP is in the NYC - CT area - highest prices on pretty much every thing in the country....
Again - I reiterate - the PAPERWORK on the dog - titles, pedigree, quality of hips/elbows will factor into the sale value of the dog...and IF it is an import - which will be proven by the dogs German paperwork - and has been shipped as an adult from Europe (probably $1000 right there) and going through a broker/reseller - who is going to double what he paid for the dog - I don't think that it is particularly out of line...if Wilhendorf was selling the dog it would be double or triple that, and they would get it....but the seller MUST provide credentials on the dog - for all the OP knows, he pulled the dog from a shelter without that paperwork....
as I said, looks like a nice SL female just posted for rescue in Brooklyn....
Lee
Again - I reiterate - the PAPERWORK on the dog - titles, pedigree, quality of hips/elbows will factor into the sale value of the dog...and IF it is an import - which will be proven by the dogs German paperwork - and has been shipped as an adult from Europe (probably $1000 right there) and going through a broker/reseller - who is going to double what he paid for the dog - I don't think that it is particularly out of line...if Wilhendorf was selling the dog it would be double or triple that, and they would get it....but the seller MUST provide credentials on the dog - for all the OP knows, he pulled the dog from a shelter without that paperwork....
as I said, looks like a nice SL female just posted for rescue in Brooklyn....
Lee
IMO, $6k for a DOG is just crazy for an average owner. (Breeder or national/international competitor might be something else.)
It is a DOG. And it is no more likely to work out for your family that a rescue dog or a retired breeding dog.
Don't spend more than you can afford to LOOSE. Being a live animal, it COULD drop dead at any time. {Hopefully that won't happen, but it is the chance you take with animals.}
It is a DOG. And it is no more likely to work out for your family that a rescue dog or a retired breeding dog.
Don't spend more than you can afford to LOOSE. Being a live animal, it COULD drop dead at any time. {Hopefully that won't happen, but it is the chance you take with animals.}
It is more money than I would spend but I do not believe it is out of the league for what you describe - at least young untrained working line dogs that age can go for almost that much and working lines are generally less expensive than showlines.
For that kind of money I would want full back, hip, and elbow x-rayed - certainly with an A stamp (or if he brought the dog over under a year and trained him himeself, you can get OFA prelims) as well as a solid pedigree. I would also want to know the dog was fully checked over by a vet. Now if you have spent TIME with the dog, you have some insight. I spent $2000 for Grim (who was 2.5 years) a Working Line male who was OFA good hips, normal elbows, good spine, good bloodwork and exam, housebroken, sit, down, come when I got him in 2006. I spent $200 for the medical exam and back x-rays AND I had professional folks check him out before I did (Two K9 dog handlers for police departments, one of whom I knew well, the other recommended-but he was to become a working dog).
I would also check up on the broker. Remember he is in this to make money so it is 100% to put him through the same rigor as any other business person. I would expect a clear contract and would run if there was any hesitancy of any of the requested items.
Any dog you get, you are going to have to maintain the training. There are different schools of thought on the routine use of the ecollar and I don't want to divert it here but sometimes that means the dog has to have the collar on most of the time which is a maintenance issue in that it has to be rotated on the neck every 8 hours or so to prevent sores. If the dog is only wearing the collar when he is loose and for the recall, well, he will be "collar smart" and know the difference between it being on and off.
For that kind of money I would want full back, hip, and elbow x-rayed - certainly with an A stamp (or if he brought the dog over under a year and trained him himeself, you can get OFA prelims) as well as a solid pedigree. I would also want to know the dog was fully checked over by a vet. Now if you have spent TIME with the dog, you have some insight. I spent $2000 for Grim (who was 2.5 years) a Working Line male who was OFA good hips, normal elbows, good spine, good bloodwork and exam, housebroken, sit, down, come when I got him in 2006. I spent $200 for the medical exam and back x-rays AND I had professional folks check him out before I did (Two K9 dog handlers for police departments, one of whom I knew well, the other recommended-but he was to become a working dog).
I would also check up on the broker. Remember he is in this to make money so it is 100% to put him through the same rigor as any other business person. I would expect a clear contract and would run if there was any hesitancy of any of the requested items.
Any dog you get, you are going to have to maintain the training. There are different schools of thought on the routine use of the ecollar and I don't want to divert it here but sometimes that means the dog has to have the collar on most of the time which is a maintenance issue in that it has to be rotated on the neck every 8 hours or so to prevent sores. If the dog is only wearing the collar when he is loose and for the recall, well, he will be "collar smart" and know the difference between it being on and off.
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