are chiefy and wolfie related?

it seems like most of us GSD's that do weigh more than the standard.

so is the standard out dated? i'm starting to wonder...

 

No they aren't related at all. Chief was American showline and Wolfie is DDR workingline.

 

I think that standards are very important and breeders should do there best but like others have said many are now going for "big" and over standard is becoming the new standard.

That being said Jake is already about to be over standard at less then 10 months old. He's 79 pounds! I do my very best to keep him active, lean and feed good quality food. For him like Cody it's genetics. We have over standard dogs.....it happens all to often. Most people think bigger is in fact better, look at portions of food etc...

When I saw Jake it was obvious at 9 weeks he was going to be bigger then he "should", but I wanted him and promised him I wouldn't let him over eat, get over weight and give him a great life.... but I had to explain to him that modeling was out of the question.
I think Cody looks great!

 

haha hi renee. im sure jake was crushed when you told him his modeling days were numbered lol.

thanks for the compliment. so see, jake too, heavier than standard. I just may start a poll to see how many of our GSDs actually do fit the standard

 

He's a great looking dog. Are you concerned because of breeding or showing? If not, then enjoy how lucky you are.

 

He's a great looking dog. Are you concerned because of breeding or showing? If not, then enjoy how lucky you are.

thanks Paddy! oh i appreciate how amazing he is on many levels. curiousity was calling though, so i had to start the thread

 

my pups parents were 27/29in.. the dad was a int ch haven't quite got a grip on that acronym and cgc, mom was more of a house dog, but was very good at herding on their farm.. so i have a feeling my pup is gonna be huge, i just got a wellness exam and he is 48lbs at 4 3/4mo

 

thanks again tierra,

so who's dog is not overweight/oversized? haha im declaring the new standard for males 85-100

 

Yea! That makes Hondo standard too! Whoo Hoo! Love your pup, chicagojosh - wouldn't mind having one of those playing around my house!

 

My males run the gamit from the bottom end of the standard to very nearly oversized. My 19 month old is a muscly 66lbs. He's fast as all get out and so much more able to control his body. Core strength like you wouldn't believe on that dog. My largest male is my 8 year old. A fit 93lbs and at the VERY top of standard height wise based on his KKL report, he's not super tall but has a lot of bone and chest on him. He's more raw power, not nearly as fast or agile but can drag helpers down in his bitework.

More people are used to seeing BIG dogs. When we walk the 19 month old, people always assume he's a puppy because their shepherd is SO much larger. His brother who is my next oldest male is a large 87lb male. Dad was a nice sized 85lb dog and Mom was a reasonable sized bitch at 70lbs, I think both were probably in standard. So it's just luck of the genetic draw.

 

hi jklatsky,

ha! so you do have dogs for the most part that are in the standard. thanks for sharing

 

My female is standard but my male is not, I actually prefer large GSD's so I am a happy with his size, even though it is above standard. As long as he is healthy that is most important.

 

thanks for sharing heidi

 

My male Samson is 1 1/2 years old and looks exactly like Cody. I wonder if it's the bloodline/genes because he is very tall and long like Cody and even his color/markings are almost the same. He weighed 102lbs at his 1 year check up and was and is still healthy as a horse, he's got to be close to 115 by now.

 

Stryder will be 2 this month and he is a heavy (only when he steps on your toes) 96lbs. At about 14-15 months he was about 89 lbs. He only gained about 7 pounds from 14 mos until now. Your boy looks great to me.

 

Zoe my female is over standard for height and weighs about 92 lbs. She is lean, feed TOTW, and ran twice a day- she's just a big girl and we love her just the way she is

 

Cedar ranges from 70-72 lbs. Not sure how tall she is, but if I had to guess, she'd definitely fall into the breed standard. She's a very lean, athletic girl. I don't think I could get her to put on weight even if I wanted to (which I don't).

Titan is almost 6 months and is already 70 lbs. He's a very stocky boy. He's lean, but he's built like a tank. He's got a thick head, thick neck, large legs, huge paws, very large chest, etc. He's just a big boy. I do worry about how big he'll get. I don't want him getting over 90 lbs, although I think he's going to.

 

Koshka weighed in at 47 pounds last time at the vet, at five months old. I have him quite lean, and I'm thinking he will end up in the 80 pound range. I guess it will just depend. His parents are in standard (on the higher end), so we're hoping he will be too. Bigger wouldn't be bad though, since he'll be a mobility service dog.

 

Immo is a lean 72lbs at 8 months, he hasn't filled out, I wish I could keep him at that size. But I will be happy if he stays mid 80s.

IF if ever decide to get into breeding down the road, I would like target my direction of my program to smaller, more agile and athletic dogs. If you look at some of the first black and white videos nearly 100 years old, you will see this kind of dog. Not sure where the breeders get off on calling oversized GSDs old fashion, considering the old ones never were that large.

 

Because I do SAR work with Titan I wish he was on the smaller side sometimes. He is 30" and about 94 lbs.. very large for a GSD. I would agree that there's no real reason to breed such large GSDs but he is so agile for his size and isn't scared to manuver through obstacles so I'm happy with him.

 

Not sure where the breeders get off on calling oversized GSDs old fashion, considering the old ones never were that large.

The Capt put a dog up that was 29". The 'old ones' could be & at times were 'that large'. Size varied considerably when working ability really was the emphasis on breeding.

The current standard favors some, not all, working endeavors. It also favors (not coincidentally IMO) the sport of SchH. There have been posts made complaining about the pain & discomfort endured by SchH helpers when working over sized dogs. Personally, if I truly wanted a dog for PP that would be an asset not a detriment. Can standard sized or smaller GSDs effectively protect? Yes, but some added muscle & power certainly won't hurt.

 

It is a standard.
Either honor it or don't.
BIG BIG BIG ... my dog is going to be sooooo big.
That's all I see.
I never see my dog is going to be so small.
And I NEVER see 'my dog is going to be within the standard
for size and temperament'. oboy oboy

 

The standard has changed numerous times regarding coat, color & size. Others see it differently, but I won't change my preferences to stay within an ever changing standard. Nor will I tell others what to 'honor'.

My guy is big, ie tall, which I like, but it's the least important thing that I like about him. Far more important is his biddability, problem solving skills, intelligence, discerning judgment, solid nerves, reliability with people, excellence with children & athleticism. What puts me over the top in love with him is his truly wonderful personality, the depths of his understanding & his ability to teach even a cranky old bitch a few more things about life & love.

Frankly, I mention his size only b/c size is such an issue with the standards police. Outside of this forum, only those that have met Djibouti even know his size. It's not something I casually mention b/c it's not terribly important.

Anyone seeking only size in their dog, whether the desired size is small, medium, large or extra large, s/b buying pictures or sculptures of dogs rather than actual dogs. Regardless of size there is a great deal more to all dogs than this single quality.

FTR, I've had dogs as small as 5 lbs & as large as 150 lbs. I currently have 3 dogs ranging from 17 to 93+ lbs. In their very own, highly unique ways, all of my dogs (& cats) have been both incredible & irreplaceable.

 

The standard has changed numerous times regarding coat, color & size. Others see it differently, but I won't change my preferences to stay within an ever changing standard. Nor will I tell others what to 'honor'.

My guy is big, ie tall, which I like, but it's the least important thing that I like about him. Far more important is his biddability, problem solving skills, intelligence, discerning judgment, solid nerves, reliability with people, excellence with children & athleticism. What puts me over the top in love with him is his truly wonderful personality, the depths of his understanding & his ability to teach even a cranky old bitch a few more things about life & love.

Frankly, I mention his size only b/c size is such an issue with the standards police. Outside of this forum, only those that have met Djibouti even know his size. It's not something I casually mention b/c it's not terribly important.

Anyone seeking only size in their dog, whether the desired size is small, medium, large or extra large, s/b buying pictures or sculptures of dogs rather than actual dogs. Regardless of size there is a great deal more to all dogs than this single quality.

FTR, I've had dogs as small as 5 lbs & as large as 150 lbs. I currently have 3 dogs ranging from 17 to 93+ lbs. In their very own, highly unique ways, all of my dogs (& cats) have been both incredible & irreplaceable.

I think you said it all

 

I have a 90#er and he is now three, mature. Yet not filled out in the male sense. His head is big, his body long and agile but his bulk is only in his shoulders and front. I don't want him to gain any more in his frame, he is powerful, agile and athletic(graceful jumps included).
27" and 90# is male perfection even if it is against the standard.

Jk, this is not him!




This is:

 

Jane, I've always thought Karlo is just a gorgeous hunk. Admittedly, I'm weak for the lean, leggy look.