[Bearshandler]

How much would you guys pay for a green dog, say 18-24 months?

 

[LuvShepherds]

No training at all?

 

[WIBackpacker]

Need more info. Hips and elbows done, passing? Decent pedigree? Working, show?

 

[Bearshandler]

Well say working line, good pedigree. Pedigree is kinda subjective depending on who you talk to, but we’ll say good to whoever is answering. You can talk about how the other things impact your decision.

 

[LuvShepherds]

Aren’t they usually imported from Europe because kennels here don’t offer them. I thought they could be either but are usually WL

 

[Bearshandler]

There isn’t a large market for green dogs in the us, not for civilians anyway. The vast majority are Euro imports. You can actually find them in both lines. I would expect 3-4 grand with minimal training, and up to about 7 depending on how close they were to being titled. I’m curious what you guys say though. You can really fill the blanks as you want and talk about the different things you consider.

 

[berno von der seeweise]

how about a bred green female? do you accept pesos?

I kid, because I love

 

[Bearshandler]

For a bred female I would start at the price I would pay before, add the stud fee, and work down. Females are really hard to find on the market here, good ones at least.

 

[David Winners]

What is the purpose for the dog?

3000 for a tested 12-16 months GSD. Good hunt. Good nerves. Good drive. No training. They will typically be a little handler aggressive at first but it goes away quickly with proper training. Be prepared to test any dog you are willing to purchase.

I'd suggest going through a broker that does some volume. Better customers tend to get better dogs.

All the green dogs I have experience with are from Holland. Others may differ. Hips and elbows were guaranteed. A less than good x-ray resulted in replacement of the dog. They were 2400 at the time (2013) but I recently was in contact with a broker and they are going for 3000 now a days.

These were dogs going into MIL and LE roles.

 

[Bearshandler]

What is the purpose for the dog?

3000 for a tested 12-16 months GSD. Good hunt. Good nerves. Good drive. No training. They will typically be a little handler aggressive at first but it goes away quickly with proper training. Be prepared to test any dog you are willing to purchase.

I'd suggest going through a broker that does some volume. Better customers tend to get better dogs.

All the green dogs I have experience with are from Holland. Others may differ. Hips and elbows were guaranteed. A less than good x-ray resulted in replacement of the dog. They were 2400 at the time (2013) but I recently was in contact with a broker and they are going for 3000 now a days.

These were dogs going into MIL and LE roles.

If it was for me, it would be a sport/personal protection dog. I had a conversation and I wanted to check how similar what I knew was to other people. The hip guarantee is something I wasn’t use to with older dogs. There is a pretty good chance the next dog I get will be a green dog. That’s a couple years out at least though. I need to see how it goes with the two I have now before I decide on the direction I want to go next.

 

[berno von der seeweise]

really hard to find on the market here

my curiosity is piqued, but you aren't being quite clear? are you overseas browsing available green dogs right now? if so, what country?

 

[Bearshandler]

my curiosity is piqued, but you aren't being quite clear? are you overseas browsing available green dogs right now? if so, what country?

Clear about what? You take a quote out of context. I am in Southern California. I usually keep an eye on what’s available and what the market looks like. If I come across something I really like and don’t want to pass up, I’ll probably do it as long as my circumstances permit. There’s no specific country I’m currently looking in. If there was, it would probably be Germany. I look more at brokers here in the states though.

 

[David Winners]

The hip guarantee might not be a normal thing. The kennels I was working for has a small kennels and personnel in Holland where they test and hold dogs until they get 14 to ship. They move a lot of dogs, so that probably affords them the opportunity to make some stipulations that are outside those that a smaller broker could manage.

 

[berno von der seeweise]

How much would you guys pay for a green dog, say 18-24 months?

ok, got it now. Sorry. I imagined you were maybe on a trip overseas gathering a herd for export or something.

I imagine a sharp trader with cash in hand might talk some sellers way, waay down

 

[Bearshandler]

The hip guarantee might not be a normal thing. The kennels I was working for has a small kennels and personnel in Holland where they test and hold dogs until they get 14 to ship. They move a lot of dogs, so that probably affords them the opportunity to make some stipulations that are outside those that a smaller broker could manage.

How serious was that handler aggression you typically saw? We’re they coming back with full intensity? Did you guys start working them as soon as they arrived?

 

[David Winners]

How serious was that handler aggression you typically saw? We’re they coming back with full intensity? Did you guys start working them as soon as they arrived?

Typically not serious. Nothing I would expect a pet home to successfully deal with, but an experienced handler should be fine. Nothing like a full on wanted to kill you fight.

Yes, they start working within a few days of arrival.

 

[Bearshandler]

ok, got it now. Sorry. I imagined you were maybe on a trip overseas gathering a herd for export or something.

I imagine a sharp trader with cash in hand might talk some sellers way, waay down

Currently, I'm unable to travel. Maybe once things change I’ll take a trip to look at some dogs. I don’t think I’ll be adding to my family currently until one the two I have now is retired. Thats a ways away.

 

[Bearshandler]

Typically not serious. Nothing I would expect a pet home to successfully deal with, but an experienced handler should be fine. Nothing like a full on wanted to kill you fight.

Yes, they start working within a few days of arrival.

That isn’t too bad. It’s the ones were your in a constant struggle I like to avoid. When I have seen it, it’s usually an inexperienced with more dog than they were ready for, or dogs that have had multiple handlers.

 

[CactusWren]

Typically not serious. Nothing I would expect a pet home to successfully deal with, but an experienced handler should be fine. Nothing like a full on wanted to kill you fight.

Yes, they start working within a few days of arrival.

Does that mean they would growl and snap at the new owner/handler? Is this expected behavior from a dog destined for working?

 

[berno von der seeweise]

When I have seen [handler aggression], it’s usually an inexperienced with more dog than they were ready for, or dogs that have had multiple handlers.

I dealt with a little "handler aggression" here very early on. He nipped at my hand while I was releasing him. He was so young/small, looking back I've wondered if I even caught it the first time? Whatever the case, I was well prepared to shut that nonsense down next time around, but it never happened again. In other words I didn't even have to correct it. All it took was my being ready to correct it. Call it attitude? Poise? Vibe? I was ready, and that's all it took. My point simply being, I can easily see where something as simple as that might get totally out of control in the wrong hands.