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Because I don't want to steal the other topic...

I've been wondering a lot lately. How comes that people in the US are willed to pay a ridiculous amount of money for GSD puppies.

I've seen the price range between 1300 and almost 3000 bucks for a puppy.
That is insane. A working line GSD puppy in Germany usually costs between 500 and 1300 Euros. That's less than what you pay in the US.

I have to admit I know nothing about the show lines and can't say anything about their prices, I can only speak for working line.

So why in the world would you pay so much money for a puppy in the US when you could import a puppy from Germany (including the shipping costs) for the same money?
 
tho i can't answer your question - i think part of the issue is that you're comparing working lines to show lines. where the norm for showlines is 1200-2500+, working lines are generally 800-1200 easily... which isnt so far off from your quote of dogs in germany.
 
Because people want purebred show dogs that are top quality. But then those top quality show dogs will be turned into house pets that go on occassional walks. Sad. I would pay $700 to $1000 for a puppy. No more and no less.
 
There are some really nice puppies being produced here in the states. Just because a puppy is coming from Germany makes it no better.

The prices for puppies are based on supply and demand just like any other product. when people are no longer willing to pay those prices the prices will fall.

Having said that, please remember that it cost much much more money "normally" to title the parents here in the states than it does in Germany and this needs to be taken into account when considering prices.
 
Well... there is warranty, not the same as in the US BUT a reputable breeder will usually reimburse you or give you another puppy if your dog has HD and/or ED.

IF you don't mind, could you name some of the breeders offering this because when I was in that part of the world (quite a few years ago, mind you) I don't remember anyone offering to do this.
 
I just bought an FCI Dutch Shepherd puppy from Amsterdam. The breed club sets the price at 500 Euros ($680). There aren't a whole lot of FCI registered Dutch Shepherd breeders in the US (mostly working dog mixes), but one that I found charges $1,500 for puppies. I went to Amsterdam and met the dog and its mother, emailed back and forth with the owner of the father. I'm very happy with the puppy and it's the temperment and conformation I was looking for. I don't see any problem with buying from oversees.
 
I would also think that vetting and health clearance costs play a part in that cost too.

I paid $1000.00 for Stark, I have a lifetime genetic health guarentee, both parents are OVC'd for hips and elbows, CKC and AKC registered, microchipped, first shots, titled parents and much more.

I think it cost more in the USA and Canada to run health clearances, to complete vetting and to work/title your dog (travel exspenses, entery fees, club costs, etc..) which brings the price of a puppy up a great amount.

Also, being able to meet the parents, grandparents, previous puppies, aunts and uncles of the puppy you are purchasing in person is priceless. Would I ship a puppy, probably. But if I can get a puppy from someone like my breeder and spend time with them and their dogs, watch them in everyday situations plus on the field, why wouldn't I for the extra couple hundred dollars? Well worth it in my opinion.
 
I'm a firm believer in the saying "you get what you pay for".

You want a top quality dog with a sound temperment from a great pedigree than you're probably going to have to pay the price for that puppy.

If you want to go the cheap way and save some money by finding puppies for sale on craigslist for $200 than you're probably going to get what you pay for. A dog with health and temperment problems.

Obviously this isn't the case 100% of the time. A $3k dog can have just as many problems/issues as a dog from a BYB or a puppy mill, but i think by paying more and doing your research to find the best possible breeder out there for your needs and what you're looking for, the money can be well worth it.
 
I don't have a problem with buying a dog overseas either, Branca is an import from Germany.

However, I think the comment below is a bit :confused:


"""So why in the world would you pay so much money for a puppy in the US when you could import a puppy from Germany (including the shipping costs) for the same money?"""
 
Yeah, the reverse makes just as much sense, lol, "Why in the world would you import a puppy from Germany when you could get one in the US for the same price?"
 
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IF you don't mind, could you name some of the breeders offering this because when I was in that part of the world (quite a few years ago, mind you) I don't remember anyone offering to do this.
Vom Baerenfang always did that, vom Sattelberg does it too and as far as I know Liebenburg kennel as well as most of the other working dog kennels I know.
 
The price is what you can get people in the US to pay for such. It's America after all. I think it is somewhat culturally driven here.

The showlines command higher prices here generally. I know more and more people breeding the lines here because of this.

I know several people who are proud of the thousands they spent for their pet. If you can get someone to pay it, why not?;)
 
A working line GSD puppy in Germany usually costs between 500 and 1300 Euros. That's less than what you pay in the US.
That really isn't a significant price difference at all. 500-1300 Euro equates to roughly 700-1800 USD.

I'd say the most common price range for working line pups in the US is $1200-$1500. Some as low as $750-$800, a few (*very* few) as high as $2500. But the vast majority fall within the same general price range as in Europe, though a bit toward the higher end of the European range you quoted.

Simple geography and land mass plays a HUGE role. ALL of Europe is roughly the same size as the US. Western Europe, about 1/4 the size. Germany itself, 3.6% the size of the US. Yet there are many, many, many times the number of clubs, trainers, helpers, judges, trials, breeders and dogs in Europe than there are in the US.

All that concentrated in a significantly smaller area impacts supply and demand, which in turn always impacts price. It also significantly impacts the costs that go into breeding. It is much more difficult, time consuming and expensive to train and title a dog in the US than in Europe. It also means many breedings are much more difficult, time consuming and expensive. A breeder living in Germany could go from one side of the country to the other, and even across a couple of countries, in a day's drive. In the US that isn't possible, and if the stud you want to use happens to be on the other side of the country, you have no choice but to fly the bitch back and forth or use AI, and that significantly increases the costs.

Health testing above and beyone hips and elbows is becoming more and more common in the US, and that also increases costs.

Another factor that goes along with the increasing demands for every health test under the sun that exists in the US is the US mindset that requires some form of warranty or guarantee. Some European breeders *may* do that, but reality is most don't. And they certainly don't do it for Joe Public international customer.

Honestly, when it comes to that I think the Europeans are much more reasonable about the whole thing. You're buying a living creature, do your research, make your choice and hope for the best. If things work out, great, but be prepared that they won't. There is nothing that can be guaranteed when dealing with genetics. But most American buyers demand them anyway, and that drives up the price.


So why in the world would you pay so much money for a puppy in the US when you could import a puppy from Germany (including the shipping costs) for the same money?
Price difference isn't really significant. And shipping dogs between the US and Europe has gotten extremely expensive, unless they are flow accompanied as baggage which requires a human to go with them. When you add in paying for shipping a pup from Europe, it is generally going to cost more. Many times quite a bit more.

There is also a very real fear (and it is not necessarily unfounded) that someone buying a dog from Europe is not going to get quality. That the Europeans are going to send their junk. This happens a lot, so that is a legitimate concern. This risk can be reduced of course if the buyer knows the European, or knows someone who does that can help play middle-man and network with breeders in Europe, or can go to Europe to pick out the pup and bring it back. But that isn't feasible for many people, and can significantly increase the cost.

It is much easier for a buyer to research and gather information on a breeder and his/her dogs, and meet the breeder, breeder's dogs and previous dogs from that kennel, when they're in the same country.
 
500-1300 Euro isn't much more than what you're quoting for US prices. Then you add in shipping....

I've never heard someone before say they get a deal importing a dog from Europe. If it was indeed cheaper, then I'm sure more people would do it.

Plus, you can get "working" line dogs for $500. Doesn't mean they are necessarily going to be the best bet.
 
My parents paid $25 for Molly.She is from a "oops" litter.We got Tanner for $150, that included his spay/neuter cost, food, water, shelter, vaccines, micro chipping. I really think its ridiculous to pay 1k and up for a dog when you can get the exact same dog or better for around $100.My brother, mother & I were at a puppy store.There was a Border Collie that my brother fell in love with.The puppy was $11,000.They had GSD puppies also pretty much the same price and higher.My mom told my brother "No.We will look at the shelter." Sure enough we did and found Tanner.

Molly & Tanner are the best $175 we spent.=)

I am not against from buying from breeders.As long as they are from a respected, responsible, reliable breeder, then go ahead.
 
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I am using pet air in November. It costs roughly 1300 Euros to ship two adult shepperds (kennels are already included) from Frankfurt to the States.

It depends on the size and the weight of how much it costs to ship a dog.

Lets say a puppy costs 800 euros in shipping. 850 euros for the puppy, that is still less than what you pay for some puppys in the states...
 
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