[volumedown]

Totally understand. Don't put anyone at risk. But what about the rest? David is highly skilled at reading dogs. I'm not picking on you but sometimes when we are in a situation it's tough to see what is really going on.

I can get video of her walking with others around and not being reactive, or barking. But she has got much better at that. But looking at those won't do much as she'd look like a typical 6 month old. She does not act the same when kids are around.

 

[volumedown]

The question isn't directed at me, but I see a very excited dog who is eager to do an activity that can be seen as violent and aggressive by an outsider looking in. But that's just me.

(Also a very well trained dog!)

I don't see an aggressive dog in the video.

If the dog will react to kids from a distance, I don't see how that is putting anyone in danger.

Whatever dude. Just trying to help. Good luck.

Because you'd see regular barking and roll your eyes and call me an idiot my guy. Is that what you want?

 

[volumedown]

The emotional state. The drive the dog is working in. The motivation behind his actions.

If I'm supposed to see an aggressive dog in training that's not what I see at all.

 

[wolfy dog]

I am not trying to sound like I know the entirety of my situation or claiming anybody here is wrong either. It's hard to get a full picture without seeing it first hand. To be clear, her obedience is great without distraction. With adults walking by, she's able to fully listen to commands given. With dogs, it depends on distance or what's happening but 'most' of the time she can have her attention redirected with a few look behinds to bark. With kids, even when standing still or across the parking lot, she won't quit. When kids show up at a park? We ultimately have to leave. I would reasonably say the age threshold for this is probably 10. Anybody under that age is an issue for her. Before, she was unable to see anybody, now I can walk her into a vet and she will let people give her treats and be evaluated. Much better than she was, with kids this issue has gotten worse with time.

All of the other issues I experience, being mouthy, or playing rough comes with the breed. I have scratches and scars all over my arms from her. I don't even mind her food guarding, it's just my child I'm worried about but she eats in a crate now to avoid that situation all together. It's the kids. I can't have a kid get hurt.

OP, first I appreciate that you continue this conversation as many people in this situation just disappear. What you are describing sounds normal for a healthy youngster in this breed. The fact that it has gotten worse regarding reactivity to young kids, can also be because of the connection you have with her. Our own anxiety travels down the leash like a wireless telephone connection. I am not blaming you, just trying to look at it from a different angle. Example from my personal experience with a dog of mine (larger mutt). He was attacked by a roaming loose female Akita on a rural road. I had to hide behind a tree and thought he was going to get killed. She finally let go and he had a few puncture wounds but was physically OK. He developed dog aggression in a major way. After he passed (not related issues), I had a hard time remaining relaxed with the new dog (Wolfy Dog) who was sound and sane. It still echo's in my mind when encountering another dog 10+ years later. So I understand your anxiety and maybe your pup picks up on your tension when it comes to the interaction when you child is in sight of the dog. Even holding your breath, they can sense and respond. Could this be possible, you think? But I do think that rehoming is the best decision.

 

[David Winners]

I don't see an aggressive dog in the video.

Because you'd see regular barking and roll your eyes and call me an idiot my guy. Is that what you want?

I'm not your guy, and I don't want anything besides the dog to have a fair shot at life.

 

[volumedown]

If the dog will react to kids from a distance, I don't see how that is putting anyone in danger.

Whatever dude. Just trying to help. Good luck.

I get what your talking about and I'm not discrediting you, but it's evident I'd have to share what I'm experiencing, and that would put someone at danger. The dog doesn't act like she usually does when kids are present. Is it as severe at a distance? No. But that distance is farther than I'm comfortable with. I've had to avoid the issue at all cost now, it's not worth it. For that reason I

I'm not your guy, and I don't want anything besides the dog to have a fair shot at life.

We're in the same boat guy.

 

[Bearshandler]

If I'm supposed to see an aggressive dog in training that's not what I see at all.

That is a dog working in prey drive. I want you to actually see what the body language of a dog in prey drive.

 

[Sabis mom]

I’m curious now. What do you see in this dog?

He's is telling you he needs to come to my board and keep! Gawd, you need to speak dog better!

 

[volumedown]

OP, first I appreciate that you continue this conversation as many people in this situation just disappear. What you are describing sounds normal for a healthy youngster in this breed. The fact that it has gotten worse regarding reactivity to young kids, can also be because of the connection you have with her. Our own anxiety travels down the leash like a wireless telephone connection. I am not blaming you, just trying to look at it from a different angle. Example from my personal experience with a dog of mine (larger mutt). He was attacked by a roaming loose female Akita on a rural road. I had to hide behind a tree and thought he was going to get killed. She finally let go and he had a few puncture wounds but was physically OK. He developed dog aggression in a major way. After he passed (not related issues), I had a hard time remaining relaxed with the new dog (Wolfy Dog) who was sound and sane. It still echo's in my mind when encountering another dog 10+ years later. So I understand your anxiety and maybe your pup picks up on your tension when it comes to the interaction when you child is in sight of the dog. Even holding your breath, they can sense and respond. Could this be possible, you think? But I do think that rehoming is the best decision.

When this first started happening, I'd say less than a week prior to her starting the barking trend, this whole thing really, she was letting two little girls pet her. Ava was genuinely excited playing with them. Less than a week later, severe dislike for kids. David mentioned above about hormonal changes. It must have hit her like a brick wall. Nothing has happened to ava that would make her fear anything, however I know they go through a fear phase. We've had her on strick feeding schedules, she knows all kinds of commands. A typical, as you said, german shepherd puppy. I could care less if nobody was able to ever pet her I just want her to be neutral. And she HAS shown improvement with adults, other dogs. Somedays she gets weird but we remain consistent. With kids, it's just gotten worse. The only time this dog has been out of my sight is when I'm sleeping.

 

[Bearshandler]

He's is telling you he needs to come to my board and keep! Gawd, you need to speak dog better!

Maybe that’s why he’s always excited to get in the car.

 

[volumedown]

That is a dog working in prey drive. I want you to actually see what the body language of a dog in prey drive.

I had a guy who said he'd meet her take her, he runs a dog training place like this in North Texas. He unfortunately stopped responding to me.

 

[AE316]

If she's barking wildly at kids at a distant and lunging showing teeth it's probably not that hard to record one time to show him at a safe distant for her threshold. You mentioned kids probably under 10. She's getting bigger maybe for now she sees them as prey or a threat (probably threat). She's a child. This can be worked on with baby steps, but yes she may never be the type that you can take to the park with other kids around your kids. Or any kids but yours at home only when an adult is around. Or her threshold might change to 10 feet away from kids playing. Who knows. It seems like you want much closer interactions with the dog & kids like even a family BBQ. This could be possibly with a few friends over with her on a leash or not. Or not even bring her out. Maybe look an older dog who's been around kids as mentioned seems like the best way about it. There are child friendly dogs who can turn on a kid at times so there's never a guarantee. I get the feeling you're wanting to rush certain things than do baby steps which could take 2 or even 3 years for a dog cause that's still considered young.

I thought about all this when I chose a WL puppy.

 

[Jax08]

So you need to rehome her. No judgement there. Sometimes things just don't work. What is your plan for that? Do you have a pedigree that someone can look at to see if there are any indications for behavior there? Are you willing to transport her to someone here if they are willing to take her?

 

[volumedown]

If she's barking wildly at kids at a distant and lunging showing teeth it's probably not that hard to record one time to show him at a safe distant for her threshold. You mentioned kids probably under 10. She's getting bigger maybe for now she sees them as prey or a threat. She's a child. This can be worked on with baby steps, but yes she may never be the type that you can take to the park with other kids around your kids. Or any kids but yours at home only when an adult is around. Or her threshold might change to 10 feet away from kids playing. Who knows. It seems like you want much closer interactions with the dog & kids like even a family BBQ. This could be possibly with a few friends over with her on a leash or not. Or not even bring her out. Maybe look an older dog who's been around kids as mentioned seems like the best way about it. There are child friendly dogs who can turn on a kid at times so there's never a guarantee. I get the feeling you're wanting to rush certain things than do baby steps which could take 2 or even 3 years for a dog cause that's still considered young.

I thought about all this when I chose a WL puppy.

No, we don't rush at all. I get where you're coming from. And just for the record I won't be putting her down.

 

[Sabis mom]

When this first started happening, I'd say less than a week prior to her starting the barking trend, this whole thing really, she was letting two little girls pet her. Ava was genuinely excited playing with them. Less than a week later, severe dislike for kids. David mentioned above about hormonal changes. It must have hit her like a brick wall. Nothing has happened to ava that would make her fear anything, however I know they go through a fear phase. We've had her on strick feeding schedules, she knows all kinds of commands. A typical, as you said, german shepherd puppy. I could care less if nobody was able to ever pet her I just want her to be neutral. And she HAS shown improvement with adults, other dogs. Somedays she gets weird but we remain consistent. With kids, it's just gotten worse. The only time this dog has been out of my sight is when I'm sleeping.

Hackles up, up on her back legs, barking and air snapping sounds a LOT like a fear reaction. Except that she is doing it from any distance and whether or not they are moving according to you. That is what caught my attention. I really, really think someone needs eyes on this.

 

[volumedown]

Depends on the area. I won't be putting her down because it's not fair to her. She may never like kids OR she may grow out of it who knows. But I can't morally hold responsibility for a child being hurt you know? She can stay home when I got to the park.

 

[volumedown]

Hackles up, up on her back legs, barking and air snapping sounds a LOT like a fear reaction. Except that she is doing it from any distance and whether or not they are moving according to you. That is what caught my attention. I really, really think someone needs eyes on this.

No. Child does not need to be moving. If she was okay at a distance I would just further work on closing the distance. There is no set distance for her now, if its in eyesight she loses all focus and will not follow basic commands she normally 100% responds to.

 

[wolfy dog]

It' is weird to me that you refuse to record a video. What can happen when you have a kid at a distance and a dog on the leash? You have gotten so much help and it seems there is no response from you. Even belittled one great resource. I have said my ten cents.

 

[volumedown]

OP, first I appreciate that you continue this conversation as many people in this situation just disappear. What you are describing sounds normal for a healthy youngster in this breed. The fact that it has gotten worse regarding reactivity to young kids, can also be because of the connection you have with her. Our own anxiety travels down the leash like a wireless telephone connection. I am not blaming you, just trying to look at it from a different angle. Example from my personal experience with a dog of mine (larger mutt). He was attacked by a roaming loose female Akita on a rural road. I had to hide behind a tree and thought he was going to get killed. She finally let go and he had a few puncture wounds but was physically OK. He developed dog aggression in a major way. After he passed (not related issues), I had a hard time remaining relaxed with the new dog (Wolfy Dog) who was sound and sane. It still echo's in my mind when encountering another dog 10+ years later. So I understand your anxiety and maybe your pup picks up on your tension when it comes to the interaction when you child is in sight of the dog. Even holding your breath, they can sense and respond. Could this be possible, you think? But I do think that rehoming is the best decision.

I am so adamant about it because I know it's not a normal reaction for her. I could care less ab

It' is weird to me that you refuse to record a video. What can happen when you have a kid at a distance and a dog on the leash? You have gotten so much help and it seems there is no response from you. I have said my ten cents.

I don't refuse to record a video. I don't have my mind wrapped up thinking about that at the moment. It's not a particularly fun time.

 

[volumedown]

This is Ava