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You didn’t answer my questions. There was a reaso behind it. You do you.
Oh, did you want their veterinary licenses/educational back ground or what? Lol I got several opinions on what I should do and how to go about it. Did I ask what I dogs they had? German Shepherd rescues wouldn't even take her so hopefully that clears up some confusion you may have had with my answer
 
Oh, did you want their veterinary licenses/educational back ground or what? Lol I got several opinions on what I should do and how to go about it. Did I ask what I dogs they had? German Shepherd rescues wouldn't even take her so hopefully that clears up some confusion you may have had with my answer
I didn’t ask what your vet had to say. I asked about the trainers that supposedly saw your dog. Vets are medical experts, not dog trainers. Key difference.
 
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I didn’t ask what your vet had to say. I asked about the trainers that supposedly saw your dog. Vets are medical experts, not dog trainers. Key difference.
Not sure what you're trying to accomplish guy, one guy on here replied with a "genetic nightmare" situation of another breed and that about sums up my experience. Unfortunately, you don't get to see her day to day behavior so there's no sense of going back and forth about it
 
What exactly do you want any of us to do? You come - we give advice. You're totally rotten to people who try to help you. You come again - we give advice. Again you are rotten. Do you want us emotionally invested in your situation? We are. For the dog. But nobody here needs to take abuse from you. Return the puppy to the breeder. If that's not an option, then you do you.

You are correct. There is no sense going back and forth. You just want to fight with people. Nobody should be giving you that satisfaction.
 
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What exactly do you want any of us to do? You come - we give advice. You're totally rotten to people who try to help you. You come again - we give advice. Again you are rotten. Do you want us emotionally invested in your situation? We are. For the dog. But nobody here needs to take abuse from you. Return the puppy to the breeder. If that's not an option, then you do you.

You are correct. There is no sense going back and forth. You just want to fight with people. Nobody should be giving you that satisfaction.
I actually dont want to fight with anyone. Nobody is taking abuse from anyone, it's a GSD thread online. I don't believe in trainers for day to day life activities that 99% of dogs develop on their own with loving, active families like us. I got the dog from a backyard breeder who clearly has genetic issues taking place from aggressive parents. Who's fault is that? Mine. Advice isn't "get a trainer" I want to know who's DEALT with these issues. Not throwing thousands at someone who won't fix my issues.
 
Such a sad situation. I agree about the backyard breeders but truth be told it is complicated and even dogs from top genetic lines can have issues. There is not enough information given for me to pass judgement on this dog, but I do know that most, but not all dogs, with similar problems can be trained and trust can be built with the owner to work out these issues. Training doesn't have to come from a professional trainer but if one isn't willing or capable of researching and learning how to DIY, the right trainer can be invaluable. In my experience vets are great at what they do, but it isn't training or even focused on dog behavior. It seems to me that the OP is wanting validation for his decision to "have closure" and has given up on the problem. Given that there is a young child in the home, this may be the best decision. As to next steps, euthansia may be the only option because finding someone to take on the problem at this point will be difficult.
 
This is just a vent post, to anyone who sees it you're 100% fine to leave whatever feedback you'd like. Maybe my story will show how important it is to buy from reputable breeders/meet the parents of your great GSD. It's just closure for me at this point

If you've seen my last posts on my page, I have a now 6 month old GSD female who had, and still has pretty moderate aggressive issues. Which has worsened since then with the the new addition of aggression.

I first knew something was off when I got her, she wasn't excited to see anyone, and wanted to run right back to the back yard where she was. (8 weeks) when we brought her home, she warmed up and became our best friend. We took her everywhere with us, inside stores, parks, walks and she was absolutely great. Doing fantastic actually. She let people approach, pet, and didn't mind kids at all. She would follow us off the leash, got over her fear of stairs immediately. She learned, sit, stay, Spin, shake, down faster than I've seen any other dog learn. I took her to the vet for updated shots, and she did great there as well. Just normal, typical development of a puppy.

One day, at the 3 month old mark she found her voice and began barking at everyone she saw, and dogs. This behavior came from thin air. She would stop listening to commands, and would not redirect her attention even in the presence of treats. In the house, still our same dog we had since 8 weeks. Outside, a completely different personality, and remember, everything was fine up until the 3 month old point. I didn't really mind the barking because she eventually let me redirect her attention and would get over it so that was improvement.

One day at a park, a little girl my daughter's age was there (3) and Ava was on her back lets lunging, eyes completely white trying to get this little girl who wasn't acting sporadic or crazy. That was the day she truly scared me, and I realized then I did not have a normal dog. These behaviors never stopped after that. Introducing, seeing or even smelling another dog isn't an option for her and believe me I tried. Kids, are absolutely a no go for her. She's lunged and attempted to bite several, and I have to leave the park immediately. And for those who think "how's her exercise?" Its great and always has been. She runs and jumps excellent, very athletic dog. Her recent food aggression is just another "what else"? If you approach her, she gets very stiff, snarls and growls as a grown man, it's actually scary experienceing it. She never showed any food aggression before. She doesnt with her toys or anything else for now. If it was just me and my wife I would just let her eat, but I have a 3 year who who this dog is now bigger than. There's no such thing as her attacking my child.

On a recent trip to the vet, they tried taking her out back to see how she was and she "lunged" and "tried to bite". The vet was very concerned with her I could tell. She suggested some anxiety medication, both situational and long term. I gave it a try and there's been zero difference. On a road trip I stopped by a family members house in Illinois and gave the situational medication a try. It's a "sedation" type deal and didn't work AN OUNCE. She got out of the uhaul and acted straight horrible. I was actually shocked. Several people told me something was definitely off with her. They suggested the parents were probably very aggressive and it passed down to her. Unfortunately for her, she's now a massive liability and somebody WILL get hurt. I do not have the thousands of dollars for "room and board" training that ultimately wouldn't work, a guy already turned me down for it. She acts like an animal that's been chained up in a backyard and saw one person their entire life.

I've been around several GSDs and they are outstanding dogs. From highly trained police K9s my step father had to GSDs out of a friend's back yard.

"Why didn't you train or that dog wasn't aggressive" the dog is absolutely aggressive I don't care if they know how to be at 6 months or not, she did. I reached out to a couple trainers who to my surprise, didn't want to do it.

Ava was born into the world by negligence. The "breeder" didn't know what he was doing, and I should have never went through with the transaction. Bad lessons learned here, always meet the parents.
I've read your other posts too and imo your dog just sounds like a normal German Shepherd. You just don't know how to handle her. Veterinarians are not trainers like other posters have stated and they favor positive only tactics that are useless when it comes to German Shepherds. When these force free trainers can't handle simple aggression they resort to drugs. This is becoming a real problem...the blind leading the blind.

 
I’m always curious when I see posts like this. What trainers did you talk to? What is their background? What type of dogs do they have as their personal dogs?
That was my first thought. In the past, I was the only trainer in this area who would take dogs with a bite history as none of the others wanted to since all they do is clicker and treat training. OP, please have her evaluated by someone who has extensive experience with GSDs. I realize that I haven't seen her. But vets often don't do well with difficult dogs as most are not trained in behavior. Have you contacted the breeder? What is the situation there; their dogs etc? Rescues are also leery of taking on these dogs because most are not able to handle them and don't want the responsibility. I don't know if this pup can be saved but I do get the feeling that not many knowledgeable people have taken a look at her. OP, this is meant with respect. I understand your dilemma. But please, do not let her go to a farm where she can "run loose" as Jax said. It's the best way to create an accident and she will have to be killed. I hope you get some clear answers soon and that you are not in a hurry to put her down. Where are you located?
 
It will be a closure if it is confirmed that her bad genetics is the problem, I think euthanasia would be the best option for the dog and human.

HOWEVER, you should get her evaluated by someone who has extensive experience with GSD as @wolfy dog advised.

Otherwise that closure would come with guilt that you could have saved her.
 
I have been told so far that maybe my only option. I live near people who have tons of land maybe one of them can take her and she can roam free. I now know the references needed, its just an unfortunate lesson
All this will do is lead her to killing small animals, and being less and less approachable by people....you just don't let dogs "roam free".

I am sorry, this is really a terrible situation. It sounds like there is something truly wrong with her - her physiology, her "wiring"...for a 3 month old pup to change this radically???? Either she is damaged in some way or you aren't reading her correctly....and I am not trying to hurt your feelings....but I have NEVER seen this kind of behavior in a baby puppy!

Have a comprehensive workup done - if you can afford it....but don't look for a fairy tale placement if this pup is truly this off the charts for behaviors.

Lee
 
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I think euthanasia would be the best option for the dog and human.
Why do I just keep coming back to this sentence? 😈

Add me in for advocating that the right trainer can make all the difference. I spoke "large working class dog" very fluently before I got my shepherd and after that I had to learn to speak specifically "shepherd" to get thru to my knucklehead and make him a manageable dog. And it took working with a trainer who also works with border patrol and the police. Funny thing, I take my dog to the trainer's vet and they can manage him fine and tell me how sweet a boy I have compared to the trainer's dogs but I take my dog to other vets and they are muzzling him and piling on him in the back room.
 
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