I'm not sure what they are considered, but the first time I gave them without adding a little meat I watched his poop, it was fine but he struggled a bit, so I just added a little meat the next time and all was well.

 

I got a list of percentage of bone in different cuts(necks, quarters, backs, etc) and use that percentage to determine how much would equal 10% bone. I take the remainder which would be counted towards the meat part. So for example I have one that gets about 2.55 pounds daily, he gets a 1 pound leg quarter, or 1 pound of necks in the morning. In the evening that dog gets about 1.5 pounds of meat(no bone) plus organs(1.7 ounces of liver and 1.7 ounces of kidney, spleen, pancreas). I don't have the exact measurements with me, they are home, but that is the general idea. I measure everything.

 

It's a RMB. Anything with bone in it is a RMB regardless of the amount of meat on it. Adjust the amount of MM you give accordingly.

 

Turkey necks are 42% bone.

 

Where did you get this information? You have it for other parts as well?

 

Not sure where I found this, copied it from wherever and keep it handy.

Chicken back - 44% bone
Chicken neck with skin- 36% bone
Chicken neck without skin - 75% bone
Chicken breast - 20% bone
Chicken wing - 46% bone
Chicken leg - 27% bone
Chicken thigh - 21% bone
Whole chicken - 32% bone

Turkey Back - 41% bone (with skin removed 51%)
Turkey neck - 42% bone
Turkey breast - 10% bone
Turkey wing - 33% bone
Turkey leg - 17% bone
Whole turkey - 21% bone

Cornish hen - 39% bone

 

Yep, this is what I use as a guideline.
http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/bone-food-values-for-raw-feeding-dogs/

 

What are they considering bone? Only the actual bone material? Or the weight of the marrow within the bone as well?

 

I think everything is included. I have a sheet that broke down the calculations of the whole bone versus the meat on the cuts. It averaged out for all of mine to a 1 pound piece(or pieces) per dog per day. I try not to give things that are ove 40% on back to back days. I generally throw leg quarters in between higher bone items like necks and backs.

 

The formula I used to get bone amt daily is


The weight of whole piece in ounces x Bone percentage= Amt of Bone

The rest is meat.

 

If I get too much bone in my mixture the stool gets a bit dry, chalky looking.

 

That's a handy list. All hypothetical but. ..if a turkey neck is 8 oz then 3.36 oz is bone. If your dog get 2 lbs a day, then that turkey neck would be all the bone they would need for the day correct .. if you go on the 80/10/10 model?

 

Well that would depend if your feeding 2 or 2.5% of body weight.

 

Apollo now gets his bowl and patiently waits for his food...

 

Such a cute pic. and what I meant in my post was would that be the correct proportions IF your dog through the magic of mathematics ('grin') gets 2 lbs a day... I was just asking proportionally... geez. I don't feed raw, I just give raw treats so it's all hypothetical.

 

Such a cute pic. and what I meant in my post was would that be the correct proportions IF your dog through the magic of mathematics ('grin') gets 2 lbs a day... I was just asking proportionally... geez. I don't feed raw, I just give raw treats so it's all hypothetical.

I know...I'll never hear the end of it, so obviously I have to now teach my pups math

 

So if I understand the info correctly then turkey necks and chicken backs are pretty much complete amounts in addition to organ meat? No additional MM needed?

 

I give turkey neck, a back, a quarter in the morning(1 pound worth). Some of it counts toward muscle meat. In the evening they get the remainder muscle meat and organs.

 

Not really. if you were feeding RMB/MM method then it's 50% - RMB
45% - MM 5% - organ. That means half their meal could be turkey necks/chicken backs, but the other half would need to be MM and organ, assuming "I" understand correctly .. no promises on that one!

 

that's not correct. the 50/45/5 percentages are a starting point. If the RMB has a lot of bone as a poultry neck or back does, then it should be adjusted to have more MM. if it's a quarter with more meat then adjust the other way.

 

You have to remember that the bone content is pretty high with necks, so the more necks you add ups the bone. You also have to figure what the bone content is for the meal. I'm closer to 15 % some days, the next day they get no bone or something that has less bone. With those huge turkey necks I didn't give bone until two evenings later. I think on average an 80 pound dog needs between 2.5 and 3 ounces of bone.

 

Hey I can do math . honest.. that was a typo *cough* .. yeah ..

 

Here is a sample meal(this is Tannors (golden)dinner)

He is at 2 pounds(sometimes slightly more) a day, which is 32 oz.(he gets 25.6 oz muscle meat, 1.6 oz liver, 1.6 oz other organs and 3.20 oz of bone. (Morning meal is a pound(give or take of meaty bone-3.5-4.5 oz of that is bone and the remainder is muscle meat(16-18 oz minus the bone which is the ounces of meaty bone piece multiplied by % of bone that is estimated to be in there-it gets really close to where we need to be and is working!)

He gets 13.1 ounces of meat(tonite it was ground chicken, turkey and chicken gizzards, beef strips) and 1.6 ounces of pork liver/1.6 ounces of beef kidney/lamb spleen.

 

Right, but his question was a starting point as well. I was just responding that turkey necks aren't a complete meal of themselves ... I'm sure everyone will figure out that the percentages will be individual to the dog.

 

I understood the original question and responding to the percentages. The original question itself implies that the OP did not understand RMB's and adjusting percentages or it wouldn't have been asked.

OP - for a turkey neck, I kick the percentage back to 35-40 percent. I don't feed turkey necks a lot because they are a pain to cut up into portion size. I typically feed duck necks and wings and put those in at 40%. It's not an exact science but after 7 years of feeding raw, all their Chem17 BW results make my vets very happy.

 

I agree with not feeding turkey necks often. I tried cutting them up and that didn't work well at all. I feed once a week and no bone for a couple days. I had to buy special scissors to cut up chicken because my senior princess will not eat bone pieces whole, they have to be cut up.

 

I never thought of using a cleaver...duh:crazy:

 

Well I guess we know what you will be doing today - getting a cleaver!

 

Why wouldn't you feed turkey necks too often? Deja eats them on a regular bases and cuts off one vertebrae at a time without any problem. Just curious why you wouldn't give them more often?

 

The only reason I don't is I can't control the portion size as easily as a smaller bird. And Jax choked on a portion sized piece.

However, a friend feels just the opposite and won't feed chicken necks or wings of any kind because she's had issues.

It is 100% a personal preference.

 

OK, I see.