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This is a front for a broker selling pups from puppy producers.

Responsible breeders won't got through a middleman to sell the pups, not knowing who ends up with the puppy. Responsible breeders want to get to know their future puppy owners and get as much info about what they are looking for in a puppy so that they can make a good match of the right puppy to the right person.

The big giveaway is that if you phone, you are not talking with the breeder, but with a puppy specialist - in other words, a sales person. No better than buying a puppy from a pet shop.

The same or similar website will come up with other states/areas in the title.
Looks familiar?

Top German Shepherd Breeders - California German Shepherd Breeders

Top German Shepherd Breeders - Nevada German Shepherd Breeders

Virginia German Shepherd Breeders - Top German Shepherd Breeders

So you can see that you have no idea where the puppy they have a picture of on the website is coming from.

Oh look! They also have Labs!
Arizona Labrador Breeders - Top Labrador Retriever Breeders

And poodles!
Arizona Poodle Breeders - Top Poodle Breeders

And purse dogs!
Arizona Chihuahua Breeders - Top Chihuahua Breeders

Looks like a nation-wide extensive fancy front for nothing more than a puppy-mill. I wouldn't believe a word they say on the website about ethics, temperament and health. Responsible breeders won't ever, EVER, EVER sell their pups through such a system.
 
Sorry, long post.

Sometimes, one can be fooled all the way up to the point of driving hours out to pick up their puppy.
Personal experience here.

1) Breeder found on AKC site and has the AKC Breeder of Merit label

2) Breeder has listed on AKC site a litter that was born, price for puppy, as well as checking off that there is health guarantees, dogs are tatooed, and or microchipped. Breeder belongs to several clubs and is very active in them. (I had checked that out, and it was true)

3) Breeder shows dogs and has several champions

4) 4 generation pedigree that has only 5 dogs who are not champions.

Breeder was great sending emails with pics, talking on the phone, the love for the GS breed, etc. How much was spent with time on the puppies in this litter by this breeder and they are well socialized, etc.

Day has come. Driving 4 hours to get my puppy. I get there and breeder has me come into the home and immediately signals for me to sit me down to pay for puppy. My response was "Well, can I see her first please?" (flag goes up a tad)

Then I was brought out to the kennels that looked pretty clean/kept up. Mother was on premises but I wasn't allowed to walk up to the pen to see her as she wasn't "feeling well"
Litter of 6 but only 2 were in dog run. No one had picked theirs up yet so I was a bit confused on where the other pups were. Then I started looking around and the area didn't look like what had been in the pics I had seen of the puppies. Oh well, I shrugged it off figuring the other pups were probably spoken for and no need to have them all in the same run.
Fell in love with the puppy. (of course)
Back in the house now. Had me pay the 1500.00. and once money was all counted and put away, I was told I had to choose from names the breeder had picked out to put on the AKC registration form.
This wasn't just the kennel name, I had to pick what this breeder wanted for the entire registered name. I had never heard of this before. I started feeling a bit uncomfortable as I hated everything that was written down on the "pick list".. I mean, really dumb names!
Then I was told NOT to spay my female because she came from nice lines and SHOULD be bred at least once.
Mind you, she doesn't know me from Adam..
She then showed me a folder with the guarantees, as well as crate training stuff, etc. and basically said "keep in touch, good bye!" She was expecting another person to pull up to get their puppy and there wasn't much parking room.
Just went through the folder this morning. There was NO guarantees for hips, elbows, naddah, though on AKC site it was stated how this breeder did. I called the breeder to ask if there had been an error where the guarantee papers had missed the folder. The response about hip guarantee? "Yeah, I don't do that" When I asked why it stated this on the AKC site that there was guarantees, as well as what had been said to me, the reply was "I said HEALTH guarantee. Make sure she is checked within 48 hours and if she is sick I will take her back, but after 2 days if she gets sick, it is all on you. Dysplasia can be caused by all different factors that are not genetic." When I started to ask more questions I heard "I have people here now and I have to go" click.
I looked at the emails I had been sent from this breeder and realized in the lower body that the pics were sent to this breeder by someone who was raising the litter. The litter was never at this breeder's kennel. That is why there was only 2 pups there. That is why the landscaping that I saw in the pics were WAY different from where this breeder lived. Also, the puppies were NOT microchipped, or tattoed as stated. My guess is, this breeder co-owned or had some deal made with a family to get 1 male and 1 female from the litter. Hence the no guarantees, microchips, etc.
So...I messed up. I will get her microchipped, and be extra careful to make sure I don't do anything that may harm the hip/elbow development.
Everything had seemed right and I feel a bit foolish now. Oh well.
 
This is a front for a broker selling pups from puppy producers.

Responsible breeders won't got through a middleman to sell the pups, not knowing who ends up with the puppy. Responsible breeders want to get to know their future puppy owners and get as much info about what they are looking for in a puppy so that they can make a good match of the right puppy to the right person.

The big giveaway is that if you phone, you are not talking with the breeder, but with a puppy specialist - in other words, a sales person. No better than buying a puppy from a pet shop.

The same or similar website will come up with other states/areas in the title.
Looks familiar?

Top German Shepherd Breeders - California German Shepherd Breeders

Top German Shepherd Breeders - Nevada German Shepherd Breeders

Virginia German Shepherd Breeders - Top German Shepherd Breeders

So you can see that you have no idea where the puppy they have a picture of on the website is coming from.

Oh look! They also have Labs!
Arizona Labrador Breeders - Top Labrador Retriever Breeders

And poodles!
Arizona Poodle Breeders - Top Poodle Breeders

And purse dogs!
Arizona Chihuahua Breeders - Top Chihuahua Breeders

Looks like a nation-wide extensive fancy front for nothing more than a puppy-mill. I wouldn't believe a word they say on the website about ethics, temperament and health. Responsible breeders won't ever, EVER, EVER sell their pups through such a system.
This is a great list!
 
Waiting lists. Having to wait a few months for a puppy is a good thing. Are the breeder's litters spoken for before they hit the ground? If not, why not? Why isn't there a demand for the pups? Why would a breeder bring a litter into the world without knowing that there are eager buyers?

I've been in GSDs a long time. I'm brutal when it comes to my opinions on breeders. Sorry, I just love and care about GSDs. When I buy a pup, I expect to have to place a deposit and wait awhile for a puppy to become available. Unless by some incredible stroke of luck another buyer backs out. It happens.

Of course, this would be on top of the basics: titled parents, A stamp hips or OFA hips & elbows, DM tests.
 
Debunking common breeder myths

Does anyone have a link to the article that debunks common myths around choosing a breeder?For example, why some breeders don't want you in their home, why some breeders do use kijiji/craigslist? How to tell a backyard breeder from a responsible breeder without using blanket statements like all breeders must let you into their home.

I know it has been posted on here a few times, but I can't seem to find the link.
 
Please be advised, the links in this thread are in the process of being updated - 8/23/20

The more you know and read up on these, the better the questions you'll be able to ask. As well as your ability to figure out truth from evasion in the answers you may get in response. With getting a puppy being a 12 to 15 yr commitment to a dog health and temperment, best to do our research on the front end to get the best pup. Rather the back end with research and cost for HD/aggression/timidness/Mega/

Types of Breeders

Making a Difference: Being a Responsible Dog Breeder

You need a good puppy warranty/paperwork!

https://sequoyah-german-shepherds.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/puppycontract.pdf

(German Shepherd Health Warranty, by Wildhaus Kennels )

http://www.adlerstein.com/ADLER%20ST...20Contract.htm

Eichenluft Working German Shepherd Guarantee - German Shepherd Breeder PA - German Shepherd Breeder VA - German Shepherd Breeder MD - German Shepherd Breeder OH - German Shepherd Breeder DC - German Shepherd Breeder NY - German Shepherd Breeder NJ
This is very informative , thanks.
 
Good link, but they need to update their info in respect to breeders accepting credit cards.

Accepting credit cards facilitates the transaction, and in today's word you can buy a CC scanner for an iPhone or Android device from Starbucks of all places, pay a ~3% fee, and conduct the transaction.

We as a nation are trending away from a physical monetary society, and IMHO, the single aspect that a breeder accepts CC wouldn't make me run on that single thing alone.
This is a sad world we live in regards consumerism. But if ppl have trouble with a breeder it is sometimes in their interest to get a paper receipt signed by the breeder. Do not want to be too judgey but in Ca. my vet says there are no good breeders (but i noticed she is friends with many.) I always consider that if the last straw is put into the situation and it is necessary to be in court: there is NO way to know if the judge is gen boomer, gen X, millennial or Z. It is not always best to think, “sophisticated” when going to court. The deputy who handles “evidence“might be dumb as Moose on the sit com Knight Court’ or as smart as Judge Judy’s Deputy. Unless you work in that court system or gossip continually with lawyers you won’t know. If you are spending more than $50 for that dog keep a sighted hard copy of the transaction. Lock it in your safety deposit and sleep well . People who like dogs are your best friend until that money buys a ticket to Auckland or further. Then “it’s your problem “ to get that money back.
 
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