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puppy with parvovirus today (1st day) (Tamiflu) (need quick answers)

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#1 ·
hey guys, my sister puppy just died, 5 month old german sheperd, i told her to take him to the clinic and always told here to get him his shots, but she rather not and now this morning the puppy died, his brother now has parvo too, today is his 1st day with it, he was happy to see me in the morning and gave him some dog snacks and ate them quick, 2 hours later he look sad and didn't drink water, i gave him pedialyte and waiting for it to me 3 o'clock so i can take him to the clinic, i have once saved a dog with tamiflu. and now i have to get a dog exam for the doctor to prescribe me tamiflu.

my question is, when is it late to give a pup tamiflu, and how rapidly does tamiflu fight the virus and what is the success wait. thank you guys
 
#2 ·
We don't use Tamiflu - we've nursed a number of parvo patients back to health in our dog rescue.

Where are you located? USA or another country?

The gold standard for parvo is hospitalization with IV fluids, antibiotics (to fight secondary infection) and antivomiting agents.

Second best is Sub Cu fluids (putting them under the skin) but also antibiotics and antivomiting agents can be given sub cu.
 
#3 ·
im in dallas tx. i paid like $300 on a rott i had few years ago, took him to the vet for 3 days, got him fluids, antibiotics and on the 4th day when i was going to take him back so they can check up on him he died in my arms, i didnt want that to happen to my terrier so i wen and got a exam when he was sick, doctor said he had parvo and right away i ask him to write me up for tamiflu, i spend 5 days giving him tamiflu 2 or 3 times a day, i remember the day he got up and walked with me outside and ate his dog food, i am going to try my luck again with tamiflu
 
#5 ·
if i had the money i would, what do you mean by different strains'
thanks for your comments tho,


and also, i took my terrier to my dads house, his dog which was 3 months old got the parvo from him when he was sick, i told him give her whats is left in the bottle, it was good for 3 days, she went back to her old self after 4 days
 
#6 ·
There's a number of different...breeds (if you will) of parvo. Some are worse than others.

Looking it up, I find -
CONCERNS AND CAUTIONS

The most important caution is to recognize that canine parvovirus is a life-threatening infection for which there is no substitute for hospitalization. One should never attempt to diagnose parvovirus infection on one's own nor treat it without veterinary supervision. Puppies that have advanced parvo symptoms (such as septicemia or severe dehydration) may not respond to oseltamivir. This medication works best early in the course of infection before the patient is already combating large amounts of virus. Remember, the goal of using oseltamivir is to minimize the amount of virus inside the patient so that the immune system will have an easier job eradicating the infected cells.
That's from -
Oseltamivir

Look into Healthcare and Medical Financing for Consumers | CareCredit™ for financial assistance. Your vet clinic may have this info as well.
 
#8 ·
There's a number of different...breeds (if you will) of parvo. Some are worse than others.

Looking it up, I find -


That's from -
Oseltamivir

Look into Healthcare and Medical Financing for Consumers | CareCredit™ for financial assistance. Your vet clinic may have this info as well.
what im going to do, is ask the doctor give him antibiotics and fluids, then write me up for tamiflu, the pup that died got the parvovirus for eating dog poop when they let him go to the front so he can run around,

thank you msvette, prey for smokey please, thanks
 
#11 ·
What are those puppies doing without shots? And you say you dont have money to have it stay at the vets make sure it gets the treatment it needs? This in my opinion is out right animal abuse/neglect! Hate to say it but the pup will most likely die if not left at the clinic for IV and antibiotics, just because your one experience with the tamiflu turned out ok does not mean that it will for this dog. If you dont have money to make sure your dogs have shots and money incase something like this happens (you can even get pet insurance to help cover the costs) than you shouldnt be having a dog, sorry, that is MHO
 
#14 ·
first, this is not my puppy. this is my sister puppy, i have told her not to get one if shes not going to keep up with the shots, now i just got back from the clinic and the doctor said he is in the 1st stage of parvo, and i ask him to write me up for Tamiflu, he did just that, he also gave the dog 2 shots, also i ask him has he ever had patients who gave there dog Tamiflu, he said yes and he said that there dogs lived, and i ask him if he does that in the clinic and he said no,

so the total bill was $400, now i hope he gets back to normal. he just walked around with me and ran in the back yard with his mommy and daddy,
 
#12 ·
Here's how I managed to save two puppies that got Parvo.

First, you need to get to the vet and see how far along the disease is.

Next, have the vet show you how to give subcutaneous fluids and purchase enough to get your through the next 5 days (the vet should tell you how much to give and how often).

Next, go online and purchase some Coloidol Silver. Silver is about the only thing that kills viruses. You want enough to give a CS enema twice a day for the next 5 days.

Also, buy Parvaid and Vibactra. Both of these will help the dog while they fight the virus.

Doing all this is time consuming. If you can't do it please take the dog to a vet to have them treat it.
 
#13 · (Edited)
Parvaid is some $50 or so and the whole set is $100. If the OP had that kind of money, I'm sure the puppy would be hospitalized :(
No clue what the colloidal silver costs, or how long it would take to arrive?
But every moment without treatment, the white cells (front line of defense) drop, and the virus replicates.
e. Coli also invades the bloodstream as the protective lining of the gut is stripped away.
 
#25 ·
Parvaid is some $50 or so and the whole set is $100. If the OP had that kind of money, I'm sure the puppy would be hospitalized :(
Umm, around here $100 sure as heck won't get you an emergency vet care. I spent $100 just getting my cat Cloe's foot checked, a AB shot and some drugs.
 
#15 ·
Dog needs fluids. Hospitalization and IV preferred, SubQ if that can't be done.

A study DID show that tamiflu increased average survival rate from 80% to 100%, and decreased symptoms but did NOT decrease healing time. IE BOTH groups of parvo pts, both those getting and not getting tamiflu, were still sick for the same amount of time. It was a fairly small study, I think there was only something like 17 dogs in each group (roughly 40 dogs total), and BOTH groups were kept hospitalized with all other recommended treatments.

Those I've talked to in the field that have actually used tamiflu do not feel it does much good.

Nothing CURES the parvovirus, there is no cure. Simply supportive therapy to stop the symptoms of parvo from killing your pup.

Good luck :(
 
#16 ·
That being said... I would treat my puppy with tamiflu if it did get parvo. I would also hospitalize and do EVERYTHING else, but still treat with tamiflu because every pt in the study that received tamiflu survived.

There is a bad case of parvo going around my area right now. 10+ cases that I've heard of. I've personally had to treat 2 in my clinic in the last 3 weeks. Of course, I an FREAKING out, seeing as how I'm getting a puppy in less than 4 weeks, lol. I've been SOAKING myself in Parvo-disinfectant 10 times a day. I've been doing IDEXX CEs on Parvo, I pretty much have myself convinced my pup is going to catch some horrible disease from me and die. IN REALITY my pup will probably be fine... but still, I'm a little paranoid :p
 
#22 ·
I'm not sure exactly how much pedialyte, but you want him eating as much as possible (and by that I mean every couple hours, not gorging himself and further upsetting his system). You want him getting his system going, because movement in the GI tract sloughs the intestinal lining and in return clears the parvovirus out of the system. When they STOP eating is when it gets bad. If you can get him to eat a bland diet regularly, the more the better. Something canned like science diet ID, AD, or WD from the vet, every couple of hours. Or something like white rice with broiled chicken or hamburger, low fat.
 
#27 ·
Harsh..
the thing about viruses is.. there is no cure, no medication you can use to ´kill` or ´cure`the virus. It all depends on your pup´s immune sistem to fight it off..

However.. you can help him... what medication CAN treat are secondary infections, when with parvo the dog is weaker and can get many other diseases that when healthy would pass through him with no symptoms ( instestinal infection, giardia, etc). Take him to a vet and he will be able to tell you how well your pup is. if he isn´t drinking or eating, vomiting or with diarrhea they might want to get some fluids in him, subcuttanius fluids last for a little while and you can learn to apply it yourself if you can´t leave the pup at the vet. He will then prescribe some antibioticas to fight SECONDARY INFECTIONS and NOT the parvovirus itself. Hopefully with time your pup will be strong enought to fight the disease.
Don´t force any food or drinks in you pup, he might throw up and dehidrate fast. put some ice and see if he will lick it, or some pedyalite and see if he drinks it.. keep him hidrated.. very important!

But comming from personal experience.. If you can, better leave him at the vet, let them take care of him, chances are better for him then.

goodluck!
 
#29 ·
i want to thank everyone who left comments to help out, today smokey past away around 12, i tried my best to save his life and i know he tried hard to fight the parvo,

i want to say to the people who haven't got there dogs shots please do, you really don't want your puppies or adult dogs passing away,

R.I.P Snow and Smokey!
im sure both are playing around in Rainbow Bridge. mommy is going to have babys and im going to name two boys after y'all and make sure %100 both of you will get all the shots, im crying typing this but i miss both of yall!
 
#30 ·
Sorry about your losses.

My new puppy Koda got Parvo at 10 weeks old.
The vet put some fluids under his skin, some antiobiotics, and gave me some anti vomiting and anti diarriaha meds to take home.

I had to give him gatorade & Pedialyte through a syringe (10cc) every 15 minutes round the clock. I also had to force feed him some wet puppy food through a syringe every 2 hours about (15cc).

It took about 3-4 days and thank God Koda survived.
It was very time consuming, and is an awful virus.

Koda had already had his first set of vaccines when he contracted the virus.



i want to thank everyone who left comments to help out, today smokey past away around 12, i tried my best to save his life and i know he tried hard to fight the parvo,

i want to say to the people who haven't got there dogs shots please do, you really don't want your puppies or adult dogs passing away,

R.I.P Snow and Smokey!
im sure both are playing around in Rainbow Bridge. mommy is going to have babys and im going to name two boys after y'all and make sure %100 both of you will get all the shots, im crying typing this but i miss both of yall!
 
#32 ·
if your going to have another puppy i think it would be best to wait. The virus will stick around your house for a long time, and chances are your new puppy gets it. Shots do prevent, but the pupy is not protected untill it has had ALL its shots..

I had a German shepherd puppy who died of parvo, and me and my boyfriend didn´t wait much to get our next one and she got it too, luckily she got through it
 
#33 ·
Vaccines prime the immune system to fight off the disease. Vaccines are given in a series. After just two vaccines, Koda would not have had adequate immunity, that is true.

So sorry about Smokey - but I kind of expected this, sadly enough. Even with hospitalization, the death rate is about 20 puppies out of 100.
 
#34 ·
This is scarey as well;

This type of infection can occur when a pregnant female dog is infected with CPV2. The adult may develop immunity with little or no clinical signs of disease. The virus may have already crossed the placenta to infect the fetus. This can lead to several abnormalities. In mild to moderate cases the pups can be born with neurological abnormalities such as cerebellar hypoplasi