What does OM and MM stand for? Thanks

 

Originally Posted By: QuiksilverWhat does OM and MM stand for? Thanks

OM is Organ Meat - http://www.rawdogranch.com/OrganMeat.htm

MM is Muscle Meat - http://www.rawdogranch.com/MuscleMeat.htm

RBM is Raw Meaty Bones - http://www.rawdogranch.com/RawMeatyBones.htm

 

Originally Posted By: Martie

Originally Posted By: QuiksilverWhat does OM and MM stand for? Thanks

OM is Organ Meat - http://www.rawdogranch.com/OrganMeat.htm

MM is Muscle Meat - http://www.rawdogranch.com/MuscleMeat.htm

RBM is Raw Meaty Bones - http://www.rawdogranch.com/RawMeatyBones.htm

It all makes sense now! Thanks a lot! =D

 

About how much are you all spending per month on food?

I believe right now I am spending about $50 on a 35lb or so bag of Innova LBP.

I figure my pup, 40 lbs and 3 months could eat about 16 oz RMB, 8oz MM, and 2oz of OM per DAY

Here is the prices I've found locally, NOT bulk.


RMB:
Bf Shank 16oz $2
11pc Chicken drum bag $4.50
Bf Soup Bone Meaty 16oz $1.59
Bf Neckbone 16oz. $2.39


MM:
Ground Bf 80 oz =5lbs $10
Canned Herring...small possibly 2 meals $1.09

OM:
Bf Liver 16oz $1.49
Bf Marrow Guts 16oz $0.99
Chk Liver 16oz $2.39

Throw in the cost of eggs here and there, along with other ok scraps.

I come to about $3.20/day and $90-95/month.

That is about DOUBLE what I am spending now.

Doesn't sound good to me. And I don't have room to store bulk frozen products.

 

Originally Posted By: KG K9About how much are you all spending per month on food?

I believe right now I am spending about $50 on a 35lb or so bag of Innova LBP.

I figure my pup, 40 lbs and 3 months could eat about 16 oz RMB, 8oz MM, and 2oz of OM per DAY

Here is the prices I've found locally, NOT bulk.


RMB:
Bf Shank 16oz $2
11pc Chicken drum bag $4.50
Bf Soup Bone Meaty 16oz $1.59
Bf Neckbone 16oz. $2.39


MM:
Ground Bf 80 oz =5lbs $10
Canned Herring...small possibly 2 meals $1.09

OM:
Bf Liver 16oz $1.49
Bf Marrow Guts 16oz $0.99
Chk Liver 16oz $2.39

Throw in the cost of eggs here and there, along with other ok scraps.

I come to about $3.20/day and $90-95/month.

That is about DOUBLE what I am spending now.

Doesn't sound good to me. And I don't have room to store bulk frozen products.

First, some of your RMBs are either not really practical for a pup his age/size or are not BMBs at all. The beef neck bones are going to be pretty hard, my 2 y/o can eat veal necks, but not beef, they are too dense, so a 3 month puppy will have problems. Also, the soup bones are recreational bones. Most of the beef bones are going to be too hard, and dense for eating. These animals weigh a ton (literally). When compared to a 6 pound bird....it is very different.

I just started buying in bulk, and before that I could find pretty good prices on meat at grocery stores and Walmart, Sams club...etc. You have to know where to look... and what to feed. Ground beef is going to be expensive, so is beef shank. Poultry is much cheaper.

Also take into account how much bone is actually in the product. Chicken wings and turkey necks are very bony. So you would feed those in smaller amounts than say a chicken quarter that is very meaty.

Here are some pricey that I have found in different stores.

RMB:
Chicken quarter $0.49/lb (Walmart)
Cornish Hens $1.49/lb (Sams Club)
Turkey necks $1.29/lb (Publix)
Chicken wings 10 lbs for $14.98 (Sams Club)
Chicken backs are usually cheap too

MM:
Ground Turkey 1 lb chub for $1.50
Beef Heart $1.18/lb (Publix)
Canned Mackerel 1.29 for a can
Chicken gizzards (not sure of exact price, but cheap)

Also....While I haven't bought it, you can also get chicken breast when they are on sale (saw 1.79/lb at Publix), and pork roasts (found on sale once for $0.99 a pound)

When I fed chicken quarters and Cornish hens, that was usually his meal, since the 1/4 i get are pretty meaty already.

For a week he could have meals like this. I use a 50/45/5 ratio when preparing diets that have very bony RMBs, instead of 60/35/5. My guy also does better with less bone so you can vary between the 2 ratios to find out what he does best on. Your amount also seems kinda low on the total amount. I calculated just a little over a pound and a half. If he weighs 30 ponds now, I would guess his 8 week weight would be around 20 pounds at least. So you would feed 10% of his weight then, which would be closer to 2 pounds of food. Unless you know his parents weight and can estimate how big he will get and then base the amount off of that. Obviously the amounts would change with the whatever weight he actually has and how much bone he needs in his diet, since it varies with each dog.


So with 50/45/5 and a total of 2 pounds of food daily, and only getting a week of food at one time. RMB= 16 oz, MM= 14.5 oz, OM= 1.5 oz

Meal ideas

1. Chicken wings, Chicken gizzards, chicken liver
2. Chicken Quarters (very meaty), beef liver
3. Turkey necks, ground turkey, Chicken liver
4. Turkey necks, beef heart, beef liver
5. Chicken backs, canned mackerel, beef liver

Since I don't have prices for everything, I will calculate the prices for the meals I do have prices for.


1. 1.50, 1.40, .14 = 3.05
2. 0.94, 0.14 = 1.08
3. 0.99, 1.36, .14 = 2.49
4. 0.99, 1.07, .14 = 2.20
5. 0.99, 0.84, .14 = 1.97

If you fed all meals equally, you would spend about 65 bucks a month. That is assuming you feed more food than calculated....However you notice some meals cost more than others. I would feed more chicken meals and less expensive meals.

Since you only have a small amount of room for storing food, I assume you dont want to keep all 5 meals in the fridge at one time, especailly since packages will vary by size and things like that.

If you fed a 5 days of food and say 2 days was meal 2, and 2 days he had meal 4, and 1 day was meal 5, it would cost you approximately 8.50 to feed. In 30 days it would cost you approx 51 bucks.

Granted you would add in extras and treats, but that was also for 2 pounds per day.... at your amount to feed per day it would come to about 42, then add in eggs (say 4 per 5 days...or 2 dozen per month for an additional say 5 dollars a month) and you total out to 56 or 47 per month depending on the amount you feed.

Hope this helps a little. Sorry it was SOOOOO long.

 

And my calculations were for 30 day months, not 28 day months.

 

So my puppy weights 25 pounds and is 10 weeks old. The father was almost 90 pounds and the mom 73 pounds. How much raw food should I be feeding my puppy? Right now I'm feeding him 1/2 a pound per meal, 3 times a day.

 

Question, for the fruits and veggies, to make things easy, could I use baby food? Nothing with additives (like onion powder which is a big no-no) just straight pureed fruits and veggies.

Thanks.

 

If you feel the need to add fruits and veggies, baby food would work. Just watch out for added sugar.

Instead of F&V (which dog's do not really need) why not try fresh green tripe? It is much closer to the type of green stuff they would naturally eat.

 

Two more questions please:

1. I see this posted alot "&amp" .... what does that mean?

2. How often would you feed the Green Tripe?

Thanks!

 

Starting new puppy

My new pup is not much on the kibble idea. That is fine. My other dogs are only supplemented with raw, so this little one is going to require more effort on my part to create the raw diet.

I started her on ground beef as I wanted the fat and calories. When I read the sticky with menus listed, I noted a number of people used ground beef for meat meals. I was wondering what other meat meals people might suggest for a pup starting out.

After a few days of beef, I added some raw chicken. Haven't gotten to any organs yet.

We don't seem to have much variety of meats or organs in my area so it has to be basic grocery store type items at this point.

How much to feed? What percentage of weight would you feed a pup that needs to grow? She is 25lbs at 4 months, so is really pretty small. I had read somewhere that for gaining feeding up to 8% of weight might be needed. It seems a lot.

 

Can someone help me understand the raw diet? I don't know the acronyms for the different meal categories. I have a 12 week old longhair shepherd puppy. He is extremely itchy which the vet recommends safflower oil or thistle oil in his German brand kibble. I am becoming increasingly interested in the raw diet or homecooked foods. Can someone explain the benefit and exactly how to do it? Thanks, Danielle

 

I am with Danielle here. I was JUST about to post the same question.
I SO do not understand what was written here in the original post.
AM - 9 ounces RMBs, PM 8 ounces MM & 1 ounce OM
RMBs - chicken leg quarters/backs/necks, tilapia, pork rib tips, canned mackerel, turkey necks, pork necks, lamb necks
MM - beef heart, ground turkey, pork hearts, lamb trim
OM - liver, kidney
Misc - green tripe, eggs, oatmeal (if I forget to defrost something)

 

Danielle,good morning.I will only say this,If your pup is itching as you describe then it would be my guess that he is probably allergic or intolerant of the food he is eating.I have one of my GSD's that is allergic to just about every protein source out there(chicken,duck,turkey,pork,fish)and also has some problems with gluten grains such as wheat,barley,oats,rye etc.I think that the easiest way for you is to try a different food with LIMITED INGREDIENTS and for sure a DIFFERENT protein source than what is in the food he is on.I would guess that his food is chicken based as is most food.Some dogs just dont do well on chicken or fishmeal etc.If you are dealing with this (allergies),it can be easy or it can become hard to deal with.I would think about changing his food to a LID and go from there.You will hopefully see that once you go to a different food say the Natural Balance-Lamb-Rice or Bison and Sweet Patatoe,or Venison-Rice or Duck-Patatoe he will stop itching.I really doubt that adding saffflower oil or thistle oil will stop the itching.As a matter of fact ,the increased Omega 6 may cause MORE inflamation.I hope this helps as I know first hand how difficult dealing with allergies can be.Good luck and please let me know how it goes if you should decide to try the food change to a different protein and Limited Ingredient Diet.

 

I have a 10 week old male GSD. We are currently very interested in a raw diet. Where do we start? How much do I feed him? WHAT do I feed him?? HELP!

 

A good place to start learning about the diet is my website:

http://www.rawdogranch.com

 

A good place to start learning about the diet is my website:

http://www.rawdogranch.com

I had no clue this was your website! Great job and thanks a million!!

 

Can someone post a link directly to the spreadsheet on Lauri's website? I can't seem to find it…

 

Can someone post a link directly to the spreadsheet on Lauri's website? I can't seem to find it…

I know! I was looking for it too!! Hopefully someone has it so they can post it!

 

Raw pork is ok? Saw pork tails at the store today, but passed them up because DH questioned the safety….. He is also uncomfortable with fish…. Any advice?

 

Human-grade raw pork is perfectly fine. If it's trichinosis you're worried about it's not common in human-grade meat anymore. Just don't feed any wild hog. My dog's been eating pork practically since she started raw and she's had zero problems.

 

I'm finally done reading 123 posts!

This is all great info!

 

It's funny... I went to my vet when Nyx turned one year and ever vet remarked that sher had some of the most beautiful teeth she's ever seen. Then she was like "wow and her coast is so glossy and she is perfectly healthy" blah blah. I said thank you and she asked which food I am feeding. I told her she eats a mostly raw diet. She frowned and said that she thought it was a bad idea and that her health would suffer. Then she said "well just make sure you don't let her east any chicken bones." I told her that in fact chicken is a staple of her diet, bones and all. I wish I had a picture of her face. How ironic eh?

 

It's funny... I went to my vet when Nyx turned one year and ever vet remarked that sher had some of the most beautiful teeth she's ever seen. Then she was like "wow and her coast is so glossy and she is perfectly healthy" blah blah. I said thank you and she asked which food I am feeding. I told her she eats a mostly raw diet. She frowned and said that she thought it was a bad idea and that her health would suffer. Then she said "well just make sure you don't let her east any chicken bones." I told her that in fact chicken is a staple of her diet, bones and all. I wish I had a picture of her face. How ironic eh?

Yeah I have seen that face before:laugh: When I see it all I think to myself is "sorry your not going to make a killing off my dog from the Science Diet the manufactuer gives you a kickback on":laugh:

 

Hi I'm a long time reader, first time poster here. I am currently feeding my 13 week GSD weighing 27 pounds, 3 chicken necks and a handful of ground veggies (broccoli, carrots, capsicum) per meal 3 times a day. it equals to about a pound and a half per day. I also feed him about 3 eggs a week and a few table spoons of youghurt once a week. Could someone please tell me if this is a satisfactory diet in the long run or am I missing something. p.s. more often than not he swallows the chicken necks after 2-3 bites.

 

I suggest giving him variety, how about beef, turkey, pork, kangaroo meat even?

My own puppy gets chicken, turkey, venison, green tripe and beef. I don't feed vegetables and I only give eggs when I remember. I used to give yogurt as well but he doesn't like it as much so he doesn't get it anymore.

 

Thanks for your reply Josie. I stick to chicken necks because it's very inexpensive, as I have a very low budget at the moment, and I believe it is still healthier than kibble. But I am not very knowledgeable when it comes to raw food, so if you could tell me how crucial it is to maintain a variety of meat? If it is very important I will make the changes.

 

Recipe

Hello,

I have a 7 month old my GSD, and I has recently decided to switch a raw diet. I have been feed him Nature's Variety lamb patties but I want to start my own mix. Can anyone help? Need some help getting started.

 

I have been reading this thread over the last couple days and has been a great amount of help in determining if I am going to do the raw diet. I have researched out the you know what trying to find guidelines on getting started. There is SO much information out there and it's beginning to get overwhelming, haha. In researching I calculated he should be getting about 2.5 lbs of raw food a day, but that seems like a whole lot when I read some of your menus. So instead of driving myself crazy, I thought I would go straight to the source...

Can someone help me get started on switching my GSD to a raw diet. He is 2 years old, 98 lbs of solid muscle, and high energy (he is home while I am at work, goes for 2 long walks a day and plays TONS of fetch and "find," weekends are much more active for him to include dog parks and much socialization.)

Any help getting started would be AMAZING. Thanks guys.

 

Hi I am new too the GSD website! And I had recently got a sable shepherd myself, he is on a raw diet, consisting of beef/pork meaty neck bones and a leg/thigh/back quarter of chicken a day. With some eggs, for a 11 week old pup is this a good diet or do I need to change it up any? Any tips would be welcomed!