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If someone has this much concern over a dog that is running loose then the dog needs to be reported to some authority at once so there is no way the dog can do so again. Just keeping the dog in the house did not succeed in keeping the dog contained. Again, the breed of the dog is not the point so that should be the least of anyone's concern.
With all due respect, how can breed not be the point when the breed is banned in that community? This incident is the very reason that any bannings or BSL are enacted, to prevent the first attack by the specific breed targeted with the law, and in this case, it is the Pit Bull.

And in this particular incident, this is OP's ticket to reporting anonymously. The same can't be said if the dog had been a Beagle. In this case, breed very much matters.
 
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With all due respect, how can breed not be the point when the breed is banned in that community? This incident is the very reason that any bannings or BSL are enacted, to prevent the first attack by the specific breed targeted with the law, and in this case, it is the Pit Bull.

And in this particular incident, this is OP's ticket to reporting anonymously. The same can't be said if the dog had been a Beagle. In this case, breed very much matters.
You are right. It still bothers me we are after the OP for number of dogs and are giving out misleading information. Breed does matter. Posts on this site stay forever. The information posted should be accurate for the next person who finds this and needs answers. The dog is a banned breed, it didn't just happen to bite a child. The dog got loose and intentionally ran out and attacked a child. It could have been worse. We get all twisted up in minutiae when the only thing that matters is getting the injured child treated and stopping the dog from biting again or worse.

Everhing else is just background noise. The number of dogs, the fact that the families are moving, who is or is not to blame, whether the dog can be a service dog. It doesn't matter if it can or can't be a SD, it should not be allowed to get loose. Why are children responsible for a dangerous dog? Where were the parents?
 
No, this would be done anonymously and the neighbor would have no idea who did it. OP was concerned if he turned his neighbor in for a dog bite, which he would have to identify himself, then, he feared retaliation. So, no, the concern is by no means the same.

It absolutely matters whether it is a Pit Bull or a Chinese Crested. The Pit Bull is a banned breed where he lives, the Chinese Crested is not. Pits can, and do, maul and kill people and pets with regularity, Chinese Cresteds do not. Let's not be silly and ignore the law and the facts. I mean if the world is going to go to heck in a handbasket because a large breed puppy was running loose or somebody didn't pick up after their dog, because it is the law you know, then why should anybody turn a blind eye to breed under these extreme conditions?
Right, but as a prior poster pointed out, service dogs are exempted from breed bans.

Also, let's be realistic: I don't think it's a huge stretch to think that maybe the neighbor would have a pretty good guess about who turned him in. I don't think the neighbor would have to be all that bright to put two and two together if his dog bit somebody and then a week or two later he has AC showing up at his door. It isn't much to figure out that it was probably due to the bite incident and someone connected to said incident probably called it in.
 
Right, but as a prior poster pointed out, service dogs are exempted from breed bans.

Also, let's be realistic: I don't think it's a huge stretch to think that maybe the neighbor would have a pretty good guess about who turned him in. I don't think the neighbor would have to be all that bright to put two and two together if his dog bit somebody and then a week or two later he has AC showing up at his door. It isn't much to figure out that it was probably due to the bite incident and someone connected to said incident probably called it in.
Claims of it being a service dog vs it actually being one are two entirely different things. OP should report it and let the authorities sort it out.

Why would you think that this neighbor would point the finger at OP? On what grounds? According to OP, 1) the neighbor does NOT know his Pit Bull bit a child and 2) OP has openly admitted to being a fan of Pit Bulls and would own one in a minute. Your statement, IMO, has no valid grounds.
 
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Claims of it being a service dog vs it actually being one are two entirely different things. OP should report it and let the authorities sort it out.

Why would you think that this neighbor would point the finger at OP? On what grounds? According to OP, 1) the neighbor does NOT know his Pit Bull bit a child and 2) OP has openly admitted to being a fan of Pit Bulls and would own one in a minute. Your statement, IMO, has no valid grounds.
What does the OP liking pits have to do with the price of tea in China? *scratches head*
 
What does the OP liking pits have to do with the price of tea in China? *scratches head*
You claim that OP's neighbor would point an accusatory finger at OP if he got into trouble for having a Pit in an area where Pits are banned. Why would a Pit Bull advocate turn in a Pit owner? On the other hand, it should be quite obvious that the most likely person to turn in a banned breed would be somebody that is NOT a fan. That really is rather simplistic.
 
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You claim that OP's neighbor would point an accusatory finger at OP if he got into trouble for having a Pit in an area where Pits are banned. Why would a Pit Bull advocate turn in a Pit owner? On the other hand, it should be quite obvious that the most likely person to turn in a banned breed would be somebody that is NOT a fan. That really is rather simplistic.
Oh, I see what you mean. Well, it is simplistic, but I'm not sure that's on me.

I admittedly made the assumption that perhaps since the child of the house tried to pull the dog back in, the neighbor might be aware now that there was an incident. True, the neighbor never came to apologize, but it's also possible (and I'm conjecturing here, yes) that they chose not to admit any responsibility in case the OP chose to make a complaint.

Because I've assumed facts not in evidence, I will concede that it's possible that the neighbor wouldn't immediately suspect OP. However, let's not discount the possibility that if AC comes to the door, the kid says, "Oh yeah, Dad, Harvey went after Little Wulf last week...forgot to tell you about that." There's enough potential for the neighbor to have figured this out.

I'm still completely unsure of why liking the dog's breed matters. The dog bit the kid. Biting children means it's a dangerous specimen of [insert beloved breed here]. Someone can love a breed and still turn in a dangerous one.
 
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I'm still here and I'm still reading everyone's replies. I have been busy with work and life. I will answer as much as I can as soon as I have time.


I have thick skin. No one is going to chase me away. No worries there. And thank you for your concern, for both me and my son, and the other children around the neighborhood.


And I do know pit bulls. I know a lot about them. I mentioned that somewhere. We've been attacked many times, mostly by pits (but sometimes by mutts and other breeds). I've also taken care of a lot of them (the friendly ones who passed the tests for future adoption) at shelters. I understand that any dog can bite; some breeds can do more damage than others. I know about the lockjaw myth. I've wrestled (with my bare hands) off leash pit bulls away from my leashed dogs in the middle of full blown dog fights while on walks.


My son is fine. No need for a hospital visit at this time. We have dated pictures as proof, as the neighbor's children witnessed everything. I don't think they would lie to their parents if confronted about the details of how it all happened. We will be telling the parents, and warning our other neighbors. Time is of the essence, I understand. I am not worried about rabies with the pets around here.


And we're all in the military here, living in a "gated community" with our own security and everything. But because of that living situation, everything is related to everything else, so there are contracts between the privatized housing and the base leadership, so that's how this could affect my job, career and pension.


We have family rules in place that none of our children are allowed outside if the neighbors are home. Our backyard is fully fenced in and the gate has a padlock, so the kids can play there. If our children need to go out front for anything, my wife and/or I will go with them, and probably bring our GSD too, as an extra deterrent (backup! reinforcements!! the cavalry!!!).


I'll write more when I can. Thank you again.


Oh, and to the people who have PMd me, I don't have enough posts to be able to reply. That's rather silly, but I'll play the game...
 
Ohhhhh. Military. I guess that would make sense. I'm not in the military and don't know all the rules, but I do understand that there can be a lot of them. (Thanks, I was really curious!)
 
Oh, I see what you mean. Well, it is simplistic, but I'm not sure that's on me.

I admittedly made the assumption that perhaps since the child of the house tried to pull the dog back in, the neighbor might be aware now that there was an incident. True, the neighbor never came to apologize, but it's also possible (and I'm conjecturing here, yes) that they chose not to admit any responsibility in case the OP chose to make a complaint.

Because I've assumed facts not in evidence, I will concede that it's possible that the neighbor wouldn't immediately suspect OP. However, let's not discount the possibility that if AC comes to the door, the kid says, "Oh yeah, Dad, Harvey went after Little Wulf last week...forgot to tell you about that." There's enough potential for the neighbor to have figured this out.

I'm still completely unsure of why liking the dog's breed matters. The dog bit the kid. Biting children means it's a dangerous specimen of [insert beloved breed here]. Someone can love a breed and still turn in a dangerous one.
Perhaps somebody like me lives next door to OP's neighbor on the other side. If that were the case, rest assured that the neighbor would be casting a very suspicious eye in that neighbor's direction, especially if the neighbor knew that OP was a fan of the breed. That is why liking the breed would matter.

The dogs breed matters because it is a breed that is banned in that community. One of the major purposes of breed bans is to prevent the first bite from ever happening. This banning does not apply to Beagles or Chinese Cresteds in the community, but it does to Pit Bulls. Hence, breed matters. Define dangerous, a bandaid from a Chi bite or a toe tag from a Pit Bull mauling. Not all dangerous dogs are created equal.
 
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The dog being a service dog matters a lot in my opinion. SDs have way more contact and closer contact with the general public than pet dogs. That is why they are held to such high standards.

I can't tell you how many children have run headlong toward my dog yelling "doggie!" In the grocery store or wherever (parents are generally unconcerned or don't even notice). One child I actually physically intercepted right before she grabbed the dog. One bounced a balloon off of her head behind my back (I turned just in time to see it but not in time to stop it)

What might a dog like this do under those circumstances? The owner, the authorities, and the SD organization need to be made aware of the bite and if the owners or org continue to work the dog I would call the local news next.
 
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On a side note, Dobermans were one of the first military working dogs, and they are also a banned breed on (as far as I know) ALL military bases today. Sad but true. We have people on base with chickens and all sorts of banned animals. The common rule is "if your neighbors don't have an issue with it, then no one else needs to know." I don't have an issue with pit bulls. I do have an issue with irresponsible dog owners who don't properly control their dogs (or children in this case [for letting the dog out not once but twice]). That's really the bottom line. I've found dog poop in my front yard and I know it's this same neighbor and his "service dog" and "service dogs-in-training" that he fosters. I've been in my front yard and one of his dogs was facing off with me, growling at me, and he recalled his dog and it ran back to him. He didn't seem to care that his dog was growling at me on my property while I was on my own property. But he recalled his dog and scolded it. He should be the one getting scolded. But my hands are tied, as he knows how many pets we have and could easily report me if we don't remain on good terms as neighbors. I just want to be on neutral terms. I don't even really talk to him or wave to him when I see him. I pretend like I don't see him, as if I'm busy doing something that helps me avoid contact with him. It's not rude, but it helps avoid conflict. I'm just trying to hang in there until he moves, and trying to stay off the radar until I can get my official retirement and get off this base and buy land and own my own house where I can legally have these pets.
 
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I was in the middle of editing my last reply, but again ran out of time. I wanted it to look like this:


On a side note, Dobermans were one of the first military working dogs, and they are also a banned breed on (as far as I know) ALL military bases today. Sad but true.


We have people on base with chickens and all sorts of banned animals/breeds. The common rule is "if your neighbors don't have an issue with it, then no one else needs to know." I don't have an issue with pit bulls. I DO have an issue with irresponsible dog owners who don't properly control their dogs (or children in this case [for letting the dog out not once but twice]). That's really the bottom line.


I've found dog poop in my front yard and I know it's this same neighbor and his running-amok "service dog" and "service dogs-in-training" that he fosters. Whenever he is out in his garage or front yard, he has this pit bull (and sometimes the other dogs too) running loose. I'll be in my house and hear him screaming for his dogs, which means he allowed them to wander off, and then gets mad at them for doing so. I've been in my front yard and one of his dogs was facing off with me, growling at me, and he recalled his dog and it ran back to him. He didn't seem to care that his dog was growling at me while I was on my own property. But he recalled his dog and scolded it. He should be the one getting scolded.


But my hands are tied, as he knows how many pets we have and could easily report me if we don't remain on good terms as neighbors. I just want to be on neutral terms. I don't even really talk to him or wave to him when I see him. I pretend like I don't see him, as if I'm busy doing something that helps me avoid contact with him. It's not rude, but it helps avoid conflict. I'm just trying to hang in there until he moves, and trying to stay off the radar until I can get my official retirement and get off this base and buy land and own my own house where I can legally have these pets.
 
Wulf, thanks for sticking it out.

I wish you the best and am glad that you are going to talk to the neighbor and have a plan in place to keep your children safe in the future.

Thank you for your service and congrats on your retirement.
 
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I hope your children and the other children in the area remain safe. Also that whichever base your neighbor goes to in the future that they do not have a problem with their dog.
 
On a side note, Dobermans were one of the first military working dogs, and they are also a banned breed on (as far as I know) ALL military bases today. Sad but true. We have people on base with chickens and all sorts of banned animals. The common rule is "if your neighbors don't have an issue with it, then no one else needs to know." I don't have an issue with pit bulls. I do have an issue with irresponsible dog owners who don't properly control their dogs (or children in this case [for letting the dog out not once but twice]). That's really the bottom line. I've found dog poop in my front yard and I know it's this same neighbor and his "service dog" and "service dogs-in-training" that he fosters. I've been in my front yard and one of his dogs was facing off with me, growling at me, and he recalled his dog and it ran back to him. He didn't seem to care that his dog was growling at me on my property while I was on my own property. But he recalled his dog and scolded it. He should be the one getting scolded. But my hands are tied, as he knows how many pets we have and could easily report me if we don't remain on good terms as neighbors. I just want to be on neutral terms. I don't even really talk to him or wave to him when I see him. I pretend like I don't see him, as if I'm busy doing something that helps me avoid contact with him. It's not rude, but it helps avoid conflict. I'm just trying to hang in there until he moves, and trying to stay off the radar until I can get my official retirement and get off this base and buy land and own my own house where I can legally have these pets.
You would have received more useful help right away if you had explained the details in your first post. That dog is not a service dog. They must pass certification to become an official service dog. One test is temperament. My friend trains them and has had dogs released from the program for even a slight behavior quirk. A dog that bites would be put down. There are groups that claim to train PTSD dogs they find in shelters, usually seem type of pit mix. I saw a TV show about them. That dog is dangerous. You have made a decision, but in answer to your first question, it is not a service dog.
 
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