I believe that person got some of his breeding stock from John at Ostschutz Kennels in Florida, which are old DDR lines. You can go to John's site and contact him. Some of those dogs tend to be very dominant and aggressive.

 

You are SO absolutely correct! I did speak to John yesterday....He's doesn't have plans for breeding right now.

I just fell in love with "Old Guard" pups by the name of Bero seen here:

 

Bero (vom Old Guard) DDR

 

Bero (vom Old Guard) DDR

Thank you. Is it safe to say that I will not find anything close to Bero here in the states? I would very much appreciate any leads to find such a pup like Bero.Thanks!

 

What are you looking for? What is it about this particular dog that you liked so much?
What are you planning to do with the dog?

 

There are plenty of breeders breeding ddr lines here in the US. I've got a 7 month old ddr dog snoring away right next to me right now with some of those same lines.

 

those aren't "rare" lines as the web site hypes -- pedigree isn't really built for anything -- The whole time I was watching the youtubey I was getting fatiqued , watching a dog who seems disconnected , in the "he's not into you" way . Drop the leash and the dog runs . Want the dog to come to you and stay and visit , grab him, confine him , constrain him with hand on collar or hand on harness , have dog grip in protest , then he goes and does his own thing. I kept thinking what is going to be the dogs motivation in training -- I like genetic obedience and that deep bond / partnership that comes willingly from the dog . I associate DDR dogs with being like white-on-rice with their family , cold and aloof with strangers .

In another video --
Bero DDR 4 months - YouTube

 

Just watched that video. Like Carmen said, that pup definitely doesn't look very engaged with his family. Kind of the opposite of what you'd think of with a ddr dog. Seems a little chunky for a puppy too, but maybe I'm just used to seeing my skinny pup.

When I'm out with my pup, it's kind of the complete opposite of how this dog is acting and it comes natural to him. Eyes always on me. High pack drive. Won't let me out of his sight. LOVES his family - his life revolves around it. Very engaged and waiting for me to throw something or give some command. He'll say a quick hello to a stranger for a second or two if I give him the ok, but basically velcro on me the other 99% of the time.

 

Oh I see...That just flew right over my head.For an "average joe" like myself that is really not important.I like his "chunky" looks,His massive size is what caught my attention.His color is perfect for what I'm looking for.

I'm not entering in any types of competition,just a family protector is what I had in mind.P/P will definitely be in the venue.

I'm delighted to hear that there's this lines in the States.Any recommendation you can point me to?

 

Lucy 100% right .

 

I agree with Merciel.

There are many nice looking sable dogs here in the states (everyone wants a sable!) with the temperament/attitude to match.

Looks aren't everything I"d rather have a butt ugly dog that would jump over a cliff for me, (not literally), than a gorgeous dog that will turn and walk the other way when I ask it to do something..

 

don't let this fly over your head . This is probably the most important thing. For training, for pleasure living with the dog , the bond , the natural protection . I can not emphasize this enough. Average joe (I doubt it ) . VIP Joe . That is how the dog should regard you. That's one of the reasons we cherish our dogs. When everyone takes a kick at us, or we are down in the dumps , frustrated, saddened. the dog with the close non judgemental loyal bond pretty well saves the day .

a family protector has to "love" the family .

he is not massive , he is a bit loose (but okay for his age) .

I'm afraid that this "I like his "chunky" looks,His massive size is what caught my attention.His color is perfect for what I'm looking for." the cliché looks of the DDR looks (expectation) is what many DDR breeders are creating - to meet market demands, the superficial looks , without understanding the pedigrees or the character or keeping the character. I am not saying or inferring that this is the case with this breeder .

I would not select a dog this indifferent for personal protection.

 

I'll go out on a limb for the dog. How the dog was handled as a little pup may have more to do with it's lack of attention.

Go where lots of dogs are walked or to a dog park and you will see this all the time only far worse.

As I understand from this forum discussions, true genetic obedience is rare.

I would recommend actually looking in to PP. It is a lot of training, expensive and a can be a liability.

There are a lot of breeders who can give you large sables who would be capable of PP.

 

As I understand from this forum discussions, true genetic obedience is rare.

There are breeders out there breeding dogs with true genetic obedience... a few are members on this forum.

My dog has it...took me abit understand and recognize it as such.

I hope you can put color and size at the bottom of your list as "must haves". Health and temperament need to be priority, without that you won't be doing ppd that's for sure.

 

and look at that bruiser in Saphire's avatar))

I want a dog(s) that think I am the center of their universe I have been blessed with a few dogs (gsd) like that, and happen to think they are pretty good looking which was icing on the cake It's so rewarding to have a dog really "into" you (general you) and to heck with the rest of the world, easy trainers, biddable. Can't compare it to a dog who is in it for themselves vs in it for 'you', pet/working/whatever, it doesn't matter

 

and look at that bruiser in Saphire's avatar))

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Heh, that was a long time ago.
Gus has grown into quite the stunning big dog.

As for the average Joe not thinking temperament is important, I think the average Joe needs a dog with a solid temperament even more than an experienced German Shepherd owner.

 

RLwhaler. pm sent I know Dani. You should make contact with me for some perspective and if for no other reason, that we must live fairly close to each other. I am just northwest of Houston.

Bob

 

Absolutely outstanding!!

 

Hello everyone, I apologize for being offline, I am moving from a .com to a .ro domain and I will have my new website up and running by mid January.

To answer to some of what's been said; yes there are various DDR breeders out there although many either have mixed bloodline dogs or just exaggerate in their approach.
Bero is a fine dog, with great dominance, his litter mate Bodo is a very dominant, athletic dog, his owner emailed me saying he knew the dog would be a good guardian but in reality nobody can get any close to him, with the dog being very protective with great fight instinct. I own Nala, same parents, she has everything a typical DDR would have, bones, fight instinct but what I love most about these dogs is their personality. Many people talk drives when it comes to dogs but I don't see much about personality and I believe that plays a big role in bringing out the cream in a dog. But I guess that makes for a different thread.

Disconnected dog - my dogs "disconnect" from me, especially when I take them to the beach; if anyone wants to see how they re-connect, anyone should just approach me, they will get their answer quickly.

Pedigree isn't build for anything - big mistake. How do you think the breed was developed, to start with? I am not looking to spend time on that, but rather let everyone decide what they believe and want to do. Far from me to state that all DDR dogs are great, as with other main lines, there are goods and there are bads and that being said, you better know how to read pedigrees.
it took me years to understand the things I do practice, so take or live anything from what I say; whatever dog you have/own, just make sure you provide healthy, good life for them; all this internet talk about drives and such generates a lack of appreciation for other aspects of a dog's life.

About drawing conclusions on dogs based on online footage; I take lots of videos of my dogs to show what they got (I'll just put it like that).
As for Bero, more videos to come in the future, he is in training at present time and already shows an insane bite.

Until my website is up again, if anyone wants to contact me, they can do it at oldddr@gmail.com

Dani

 

This is the last shot of Bero i took myself last October

 

Try Germelhaus near Dallas.

 

Well said Dani ~"Pedigree isn't build for anything - big mistake" I completely Agree!

Want to apologize for dropping your name.My only intention is to come here for help...yet,all I got was a public spanking or treated as a step child with freckles and red hair!! funny thing is...I've been warned about this.

Thanks for response....Today is a good day.

Richard

Btw,Dammm....Bero looks good!

 

No apologies required! I hope I was able to answer some of what you asked or thought about asking. I do check my emails daily but don't have much time for the forum I am afraid, so I will be glad to respond to any questions through my email address.
Today is a good day indeed!

 

I don't see where you got a public spanking, other than people giving their opinions when you asked for them

When one comes on here saying "i want this dog because of the way he looks and don't much care about anything else" (not quotingyou directly),,it tends to put people in the try to Educate mode.

Dani, Bero is a beautiful dog

 

a very common known fact is the ddr lines are slow to mature so knowing this why judge a puppy.

 

That's more in terms of sport and bite work. Not actual maturity in terms of being a pet and what's being analyzed in the video.

 

I am an advocate for a social , stable , approachable dog , able to live in society without grief . I would not look for insane bite in a young dog , or a dog biting insanely at any age . I know there are needs for some truly anti social dogs . Knew of some military handlers that had high security military installation details . The dog that they were responsible for were strictly one-man only , anti social to all else and when the term of employment ended the dogs had to be put down.
When you have a dog where no one can get close that puts limitation on you as to where you can go with the dog . That is the dog that has to stay home.
I don't know , different perspective . Different society ?
Just make sure that you can handle the dog .

 

Good post.

 

After watching the video, I see a puppy wanting to get to his owner (with the camera). Puppy has a strong bond with that person and is constantly trying to get to that person and getting frustrated being kept away. When off leash the pup goes right to the camera. It was edited at that point to a point where pup was able to be seen by the camera at a distance. I know how frustrating it is to try to get good pictures when my pups want to be right next to me, and I am the only one to take the pictures. He has turned out to be a very nice looking boy.

 

I had the pleasure to see Bero current pictures/video.He is absolutely breathtaking! ****,EVERY dog that Dani owns is out of this world! Between Dani and John dogs....I will wait as long as it takes to own one.

 

after seeing many videos of Bero I take it that the bald gentleman is the owner . There is a video of a "Bero" Oct '13 which , if it is the same dog, makes him to be 11 months .

 

Carmspack!!! you know your stuff!! i would love to have someone tell me what they think of my dogs personality, and what sports they would think he would be good at!!!!!! lol, a GSD specialist

 

No he's not with me 100% of the time and I don't expect him to be my one and only source of protection. That was my point. When he's with me (and he can be because he's not a danger to society) he does his job by not making me such an "easy" target. Someone without a dog is a much easier option. My whole point being true protection isnt needed 90 something % of the time because by the time something escalates to the point where the dog will have to bite its more and likely too late for that option and your gonna need an alternate source of protection. I wasnt referring to you specifically. Just saying the look of a GSD is usually all the protection we need as pet owners. So one that is well balanced and can go out in public can only accomplish the task that much more than one that has to stay at home locked in a crate because its insane.

 

If someone kicks in my door; they will have a Shepherd on their a.. " and a 44 in their head! My dog loves the granbabies and would die for them! He definitely will give us time too save ourselves! If the bad guy misses; I will save my dog! Bill

 

EXACTLY Bill!! The luxury of having a shepherd is... He/she can give me or my wife a few seconds to load up.Bill,these days,we hear. as you mention above,"kick door" home invasion.,Ask yourself this.." How fast can I get to my weapons".My long time friend of 30 plus years(Marines) Have taught at every law enforcement in the country suggested what he calls a "a floating 15 seconds".

 

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