Thanks for all the insight and rationale. Frisco had his first doggie daycare day yesterday and the owner gave me an earful on neutering at 6 months. I told her I was a big believer in waiting until puberty has completed or two plus years old. She proceeded to question me with "Why's" and "What's" - basically telling me there is more downside to waiting. I don't plan on debating with her on this topic. She's very opinionated and strong minded. I like her though, she is a GSD person, had 9 in her lifetime and just lost the last. Frisco was very therapeutic for her yesterday and again today. She said he was an exceptional GSD and was blown away by his temperament and obedience for a 15 week old. She is contacting my breeder. Felt good to have someone who runs a daycare with 50 dogs a day and a self proclaimed GSD expert gushing over him and tell me he was exceptional.

Anyhow, enough gloating. I do need coverage every now and then. A day or two a week. Someone above was down on doggie daycare. Besides being a necessity as well as kenneling for a vacation, I don't see what the issue is. Dogs love to play with dogs. Sure beats sitting in a crate all day or laying on the kitchen floor all day. And yes, I play with him as much as possible outside.

He came home exhausted last night and this morning he ran in the place like he owns it.

I so hope I can find a daycare that takes in tact males.

 

We take Jack to doggie daycare once a week and he's still got his nuts. So they exist. Just find one that matches up temperaments well. From what I've learned, Jack prefers to play with females and submissive males (neutered status doesn't really matter so long as they're sufficiently submissive and show it). If they aren't submissive, he just isn't interested in playing with them and they aren't interested in playing with him. They'll avoid each other.

So, the staff just put him with the spayed females and all is well.

There's also a misnomer that dogs at doggie daycare are random. They aren't, because it's a facility frequented by people nearby. So, there will usually be the same clientele each week and your dog will get to know them and be happy to see them.

 

There are solid reasons dog day cares don't want to take in intact males/females. I can understand those reasons.

Spaying at 2 years old is a good idea for any non-breeding female.

There is little reason to neuter a male dog if you are responsible. Only issue that might improve is male-male aggression.

 

There are solid reasons dog day cares don't want to take in intact males/females. I can understand those reasons.



Spaying at 2 years old is a good idea for any non-breeding female.



There is little reason to neuter a male dog if you are responsible. Only issue that might improve is male-male aggression.

Agreed, I totally get the 6 month rule. If I had brought my adult female dog to daycare, I wouldn’t want it getting pounded by a 100lb GSD lol. I know there are other reasons too.

I agree on little reason to neuter except that my options are going to limited in terms of kenneling and daycare. I still won’t budge.


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For boarding an intact male GSD I'd look into kennels operated by sport people- there are a lot in the Boston/metro area so you should be able to find a boarding facility to accept him. Dog daycare? Not so sure on that.

 

I think more and more ppl in boarding and daycare are taking intact dogs...

I take them at any age but if they can't socialize with other dogs then they just go for exercise with humans only. But we don't do all dogs out together all the time like some places

Ask around.

 

I believe in spay/neuter for the general public. We’d have a LOT more dogs in shelters otherwise. I hate how many 8 month old GSD’s I see that are getting rehomed.

I love now though that people are migrating to treating their dogs more like kids and waiting to alter them. I’ve met so many people in the last few weeks alone that had a large dog and they were waiting until their dog was old enough.

I don’t think it’s a cash grab for vets either. My parents waited to spay our childhood dog and she got pyometra at a VERY early age. Even with treatment, she died. My vet was the one that pushed me to wait even longer. And it’s a surgery they provide 100% free for members.

 

I hate how many 8 month old GSD’s I see that are getting rehomed.

Just to play devil's advocate. That is less about a puppy being intact. It is more about people getting a GSD and not understanding how to be firm and enforce house rules when they enter adolescence and become buttheads. Speutering does not fix or stop adolescent behavior.

Now if you said, "I hate how many GSD litters I see that are getting rehomed," your premise about speutering would be more accurate.

So, how about we push for educating people on how to train a dog and get a dog through the butthead phase relatively unscathed.

 

Sorry to break it to you, but we are the general pet owners on this forum. More people lurk and never post, and those people far outweigh the number of regular posting members.

I remember a time when the humane society didn’t spay/neuter. And the rise of the BYB grew. They could go to the pound, find whatever lookalike breed they wanted to sell, and get a breeding bitch or stud for about $50 bucks. Didn’t matter if they were purebred, didn’t matter if it was a mix of mutts that just happened to look like a lab, or golden, or whatever they wanted.

Then it changed to you having to sign a contract saying you would get them spayed/neutered by your vet within 3 days of adoption. But no one ever checked up on these adopters and dogs, so into the puppy mill BYB grinding mill they went.

Then it was you could adopt but had to sign a contract saying you would bring the dog back to the humane society to have a vet there perform it within a week (depending on the vets schedule). Same problem.

Now they are forced to spay/neuter all animals leaving the shelter, regardless of negative health risks, because Joe Blow didn’t keep him appt, and now a few months later, he’s bringing in 2 puppies that he couldn’t sell, and the cycle repeats.

Vets are also aware of the cycle I posted above, and that is why so many push for early spay/neuter. They aren’t just thinking of your dog in particular, but all the possible litters that dog can drop, or how many litters a dog can sire (much more than a single bitch dropping a litter once or twice a year).

Then you have people that just don’t care that adopt for yard protection. It’s a dog, that’s what they are there for. So on a chain or lead it goes, not fixed, and either slips a collar and goes roaming when a bitch is in heat nearby, or a male jumps your fence when your bitch is in heat.

Then there are others that think it’s perfectly fine to pop out litter after litter, because it’s not fair to keep dogs from doing what they want sexually. Add in the guys who refuse to neuter just because they wouldn’t want their balls snipped, so why would they do it to their dog?

These people far outweigh the responsible owners who manage their intact dogs the way the should be.

It would obviously be in everyone’s best interest to be involved in all rolls of responsible ownership, but you can’t force people to understand. But you can force these same people into being more responsible by not allowing unaltered dogs leave the shelter regardless of age.

It’s not the fault of the vets pushing for early spay/neuter. It’s not the shelters fault for doing them on every dog that comes through, regardless of age. It our fault. We are essentially allowing euthanasia of upwards of 20+ dogs a day per shelter just for population control. That doesn’t even include the ones euthanized for terminal or chronic illness, behavioral issues that they do not have the time to work with. It’s careless owners, owners who just want “one litter from their heart dog before they spay/neuter because they are so cute and everyone should have one,” or the people that either don’t think, or don’t care and pop out pups for a charge.

If you have an established vet, and they push for early spay/neuter, you’re likely Joe Blow as far as your vet is concerned, and they don’t trust that you will be responsible enough to prevent unwanted litters. I’ve been using the same vet clinic for years, and have intact females and males. I’ve never once been pushed to spay or neuter. Because they know me, and my abilities and drive to prevent any unwanted litters. I am just as dedicated to insuring mine do not ever bred as responsible ethical breeders are about how/when/who to breed their bitches to.

Anyway, mine are kept intact until 2 at the earliest, and never if health issues don’t arise. And my vets office knows this, and hasn’t ever pushed me or asked me when I plan on spay/neuter. We initially planned on snipping Crios before Seiran’s first heat, but he’s so laid back and not an issue when around bitches in heat, that we decided to keep him intact. The vet was completely okay when I told her we wanted to cancel his neuter appt.

 

I remember that time as well. My parents adopted dogs from the shelter and it just had a spay/neuter clause. They waited until the dog was older and then spay or neuter. I hate that the average dog owner has ruined it for everyone else. I just met a woman who adopted a dog from a shelter and it had lifelong urinary issues from an early spay. The dog is in discomfort and she walks around urine in her own house.

I totally agree with you as well. I moved and switched vets, and later when I got my puppy, I brought her in and the vet was gung ho about an early spaying. Later after he saw me taking notes in vet appointments, and religiously following his instructions, he started discussing waiting to spay. I remember I brought her in one week to another vet at the practice when she was sick and they sent me home. So I came back two days later and insisted on more tests. She had an pneumonia.

I do understand where vets are coming from and I agree with it. I just heard a story about someone who decided to take their dog to the park off leash 5 days after a spaying.. WTF. The dog ran through the park and ripped open every stitch.

@Kyrielle, exactly. It’s not the 8 month olds being sent to the shelter because they didn’t sell. That closer to 8-14 week old puppies. The 8 month olds are there because the owner didn’t do enough with their dog, regardless of intact/altered status, and when they hit adolescence at that age, the owner doesn’t know, or doesn’t want, to step up training and be the firm responsible handler that dog needs at that age. If we still had orphanages, and they worked like shelters, there would be many more teenagers dropped at the front step than babies. Have you dealt with a human teenager? Satan’s spawn for about 6 months to a year while working through this new stage. I had 4 boys (2 mine, 2 step) that went through it at the same time. If the orphanage took adults, I would have sent myself! I wouldn’t have taken them to have their bits nipped though. Short term problem, long term consequences. And nipping them does not prevent this stage in dogs anyway.

They aren't talking about spay/neuters at this stage. I think I understand what was meant. There is such a huge outpouring of GSDs because there are so many intact puppies that they're being pumped out like crazy. So people are getting all these puppies and then ditching them at 8 months old. When I was looking for a puppy I wanted something around 8 months to a year. I could have had german shepherds over every other breed, pretty much all there was in that angle range was GSDs. And lots of those dogs will go on to be bred.

Sorry, yes that is what I meant! I forgot to click quote I guess or it didn’t work. I was agreeing with someone’s earlier post. I think the topic just makes me really frustrated so I wasn’t clear. It’s scary how many 8 month old GSD’s I see around here.

 

@Kyrielle, exactly. It’s not the 8 month olds being sent to the shelter because they didn’t sell. That closer to 8-14 week old puppies. The 8 month olds are there because the owner didn’t do enough with their dog, regardless of intact/altered status, and when they hit adolescence at that age, the owner doesn’t know, or doesn’t want, to step up training and be the firm responsible handler that dog needs at that age. If we still had orphanages, and they worked like shelters, there would be many more teenagers dropped at the front step than babies. Have you dealt with a human teenager? Satan’s spawn for about 6 months to a year while working through this new stage. I had 4 boys (2 mine, 2 step) that went through it at the same time. If the orphanage took adults, I would have sent myself! I wouldn’t have taken them to have their bits nipped though. Short term problem, long term consequences. And nipping them does not prevent this stage in dogs anyway.

 

They aren't talking about spay/neuters at this stage. I think I understand what was meant. There is such a huge outpouring of GSDs because there are so many intact puppies that they're being pumped out like crazy. So people are getting all these puppies and then ditching them at 8 months old. When I was looking for a puppy I wanted something around 8 months to a year. I could have had german shepherds over every other breed, pretty much all there was in that angle range was GSDs. And lots of those dogs will go on to be bred.

 

Off topic but a lot of what is being said is also a reflection of the area. Most shelters in my area are experiencing an extreme shortage of adoptable dogs and they bring dogs in from out of state to help with the shortage but it is not enough. This has been a problem for over ten years.

Our shelters do spay and neuter which has really helped. The resulting problem is twofold. One is that due to the shortage, backyard breeders and puppy millers are in high demand. The second is for some unknown reason, and despite being a heavily populated county, there are very few reputable breeders of any breed. Most people want to see their new puppy in person and are willing to spend more money at a BYB or a puppy mill rather than ship in from out of state sight unseen.

 

Same here, MAWL. Next to no locally produced puppies OR dogs up for adoption. We've been a zero kill (except for severe behaviors or medical) state for something like a decade.

So if you look at Petfinder, greater than 90% of dogs on there are bully breeds shipped in from out of state. A few shepherds, and some nice labs or actual lab mixes (not "lab-mixes" that clearly are bully breed).

It bothers me because they charge upwards of $500 for a mixed breed from the southern states, and thus the rescue retail-transports are just allowing the over population crisis down there to continue. And at the same time, bringing in diseases and behavioral issues that would not otherwise exist.

My opinion may be unpopular, but I'd like to see people here breeding their health-checked, nice temperament labs, more. Better a sweet family-dog type lab than what we are importing.

As for shepherds, not an issue locally as far as pups needing homes. It's weird, because I rarely see shepherds out on the trails, despite the breed supposedly being popular. By far the most common breed I see on the trails are doodles of some shape or form. It's like an invasion of the muppets out there.

 

This is abpretty accurate description of my area too. There's been one shepherd in a local shelter that I know of. I don't think highly of this shelter because they call you-know-what's something else in order to get them adopted. And most if not all their dogs have major behavioral problems and they say it right on the profile. Dog aggressive, resource guarding, etc. Almost every single of the mis named dogs were surrendered for dog aggression. In my area most ppl want to turn their dogs loose on communal trails and hike. Scary.

They had 1 shepherd for a long time. I inquired about him to see if I could help get him into breed rescue, I did not know why he was languishing in a shelter. They responded back that he was surrendered due to a long bite history. He was adopted out once, bit his new owners on night one, and was returned. They said it was the new owner's fault he bit them. I kid you not.

Reputable breed rescue wouldn't have anything to do with it because of the bites

A less discerning rescue did finally take him and I don't know what happened after that because I didn't want to have anything to do with it.

Seems like all the shelters do around here is adopt out aggressive dogs they've imported from down south mostly.

Ppl just want a nice family dog to do stuff with and these are their choices because also in my area, buying from a breeder is pretty frowned upon. Stupid.

 

OMG doodles do look like muppets! That's what I call my doodle boarders lol. We have a mini muppet too.

I have to say to all the naysayers out there, my youngest has only been neutered like 3 weeks and things are calmer already. I am glad I did it.

When I say calmer, HE is not calmer, though he is a pretty mellow dog in any case. But he already shows much less interest in and flirty behavior with my female and that has just made our lives much simpler

 

Oh, interesting MAWL- so you do have locally produced dogs, but they are of a breed less adoptable, so they ship in the more adoptable breeds. That's not like it is right here- we ship in the less adoptable breed, mostly.

I think I may have said this before, but I think spay and neuter should be free and very easily available to anyone sho needs it. In the long run, offering the services for free will save taxpayers money. Have mobile vans that go and park in a neighborhood where they are needed- do the spay-neuter procedures in a day along with free vaccines and licenses. Offer some incentive for people to show up. And for repeat offenders producing unwanted puppies- offer some disincentive.

It would take time and money to get there, but the end result would be worth it- thousands fewer dogs euthanized in shelters- and many more happy families who are able to buy the dog they want, rather than rescue an unknown that causes heartache.

 

We have a mobile van in place in my town, and while it’s not free, it is very reasonable. And they offer packages. So if you want to get your dog UTD on shots, you just go where the van is, and it’s $5 for all vaccines but rabies, $15 for rabies (which includes the mandated city license), and $25 for a spay/neuter. Scarely few people use the service, and they are talking about pulling it.

Our shelter is in the process of becoming a no kill shelter, which is scary. 80% bully breed (mixes) 10% chihuahua (mixes) 5% lab (mixes) and 5% GSD’s or Husky’s.

I was asked to foster a male GSD about 6-7 months ago. I went down to the shelter, and he was beauuuuutiful. The shelter worker called him to the fence, put her hand to the fence for him to sniff, and he bit her knuckle through the links. She was too scared to take him out, so she handed me the leash and said I was welcome to take him out to the exercise yard to check him out. I just stared at her with a bad word look on my face. Granted, I’m a foster, and have had all the foster “training” the shelter requires, but she didn’t know me from Tom, ****, or Harry. And even being a foster, there are clear rules that a staff member has to be present anytime an animal is removed from a kennel. Yes, I did report her on my way out. She had no business working there is a GSD nibbling her knuckle sent her running past all the bully breed kennels. She was dismissed.

Anyway, I have his leash and am reading the info sheet on the front of the kennel, and it states that he needs to be in a home with no other animals, no children, and preferably a male only owner. I literally laughed out loud. Me and my home couldn’t be further from what they said this dog needs. I was willing to give it a go though, these are the dogs I’m used to behavior wise. Put the slip lead over him, turn and walk out of the kennels towards the exercise yard, and he launches at a female staff member walking past. Gave him a leave it and collar pop, and took him to the exercise yard. Walked him around a few times, all was good. Let him off the slip lead, all was good. Gave him a few commands to see what he knew, and sit was all I got out of him. So we played a bit, threw some balls for him, he was great. Put the slip lead back on him to take him back to the kennel, and as soon as he saw the kennel door he came up the leash. No biggie. I wouldn’t want to go back into the kennel either. So it still wasn’t a deal breaker for me. Then a kid walked out of the kennels and this guy WENT for the kid. That’s when I said nope. Been there, done that too many times with kids in the home, and I knew I couldn’t give him the full time training he would need. I’m not as young, in shape, and healthy as I was 5 years ago. There is no way I could put enough time and effort into him to make it worthwhile. I didn’t want to go through the crate and rotate, the tethering to me and not letting him near my children bit again. I just couldn’t bring myself to say yes. And I’m glad now that I didn’t, I wouldn’t be able to physically hold on to him at this point, and he would be a huge liability in my home with children and 4 other dogs (2 at the time).

He is still listed as adoptable today. It makes me cringe knowing anyone could walk in today and adopt him. The shelter loses liability as long as they have his info listed on the kennel form attached to his kennel. So Joe Blow can walk in, look at him, and adopt him, without ever reading the kennel form, or taking him outside the kennel. The shelter staff encourages you to leave the dog in the kennel, and they will bring him to you when the paperwork is complete. I can’t even imagine how they get the BB’s adopted out.

I’ve since notified the shelter that I will no longer be available to foster. I have a full home, and full time recovery that makes me a less than stellar foster home. But it didn’t make a difference to the shelter. They begged me to continue to foster. Even after knowing all my medical issues, and that I have young children and 4 dogs at home. I ended up blocking the shelter numbers from my phone so I wasn’t tempted to “just help one more out, and then I’ll be done.”

Thank God they alter all animals regardless of age, before they leave the shelter. I couldn’t even imagine what it would look like to have them adopting these behaviors out intact. Yikes! Yes, health wise it’s better to wait, and there are risks for early altering, but I would feel better sending a dog home that may have future health risks with an early spay/neuter, than a dog that has no business being adopted out to the general public period, and being left intact to bring more pups into the world with horrible temperament issues, potential health issues from poor breeding, and allowing the cycle to continue over and over.

 

JChrest- I am curious if there is any incentive to get people to use that $25 spay-neuter service that might actually work? I mean anyone should be able to pay $25, so obviously cost isn't the problem. Here, people see testicles on a dog, they're like "what are those things?!!" I am glad I have fluffies- they are very discrete. But the whole culture here is pretty strongly anti intact dogs.

 

Muskeg, we have tried every type of outreach possible, including driving the van into impoverished areas, and offering a Walmart gift card for 25.00 to those that spay/neuter. $50 card for those that did the whole thing. Rabies, boosters, and altering. So basically, they would get the services free, being reimbursed via gift cards. Still had very few people use the service.

I don’t get it at all. Most of them breed their dogs for money, so a free service doesn’t help. They lose their source of income if they alter.

It’s much more common to find intact dogs here than altered dogs. Not because they care about the health of the dog, but because the dog provides income. These dogs are raised outside in dirt yards, and most are fed ol’roy. Adults and puppies alike. They are sold without vaccines or dewormings, and most don’t make it past puppyhood due to parvo or distemper. The ones that do survive are usually popping out the next generation. I’ll never understand. I would also love to have one or two solid breeders in our town. Ones that care about health and temperament and won’t breed bitches or studs who don’t have the right genetics. But sadly, our only options here are very bad BYB or the shelter. Even someone as involved with dogs as I am wouldn’t be a good breeder, I know literally nothing about lines, how to guesstimate which traits from each dog would produce. And even if I took the time to learn everything there is to learn about breeding, I wouldn’t have many buyers because BYB’s here sell theirs for $150-$300. People wouldn’t understand a higher price for a well breed pup.

 

If you are a responsible pet owner, than you MAY neuter your animal. Some people choose not to neuter for health or temperament or breeding reasons, and are very responsible with their pets. But if you are irresponsible, the chances are you aren't going to bother neutering. Only irresponsible owners allow their dogs to roam and get picked up by AC. So the chances are the dogs they are picking up belong to irresponsible owners, and they probably didn't neuter. I am guessing that at least 90 percent of males owned by irresponsible pet owners, and 50% of females are intact. So this really isn't an intact issue, it is an irresponsible pet owner containment issue.

Might an intact dog with a strong sex-drive overcome physical barriers to court a bitch in standing heat? Surely there are a few. But most of those dogs hanging out at your door, just belong to irresponsible owners and the smell at your place is the best thing going. It is a containment issue. An irresponsible pet ownership issue.

Lastly, the people on here are NOT ordinary pet owners. They may not be breeders or sport people, they may not work with their dogs as guard, police, military dogs or herding dogs. They may not have a dog as a service dog of whatever sort, or even as an Emotional Support Dog. But they are NOT ordinary pet owners.

Ordinary pet owners get a puppy and go to the vet and listen to the vet about when/if to neuter to get shots what to feed, and then they forget about it. Maybe they take a photo and show people at work. Because others do. But they aren't hanging out on internet sites, talking about doggy day care, or how solid their dog's poop is. They may show up if they are worried about the dog for whatever reason and stick around and become a dog-person, a dog-people. But this site is populated by dog-people, not your average pet owner. There is a difference. Some of it is really good, and sometimes I wonder if we go too far in some ways. But people here are learning, training, looking at nutrition, hearing about current events. etc. Not average or ordinary.

 

Doodle haters ? Well, I am a doodle hater, and I'm not to shy to come out and say it.

Fine if the doodle is truly an accident + you have one, but to intentionally get one? No no noooooo.

If you rescued one? Okay. But please don't purposely get one. I can't fathom why you would want one. This type of dog has become painfully trendy. But really, I can't see the appeal of them. Guess everyone has their preferences. I'm a doodle hater because the poor dogs are just being exploited, as I said, because this is so trendy. The dogs are being sold to people that don't have a clue!

 

Of all the mixed this and that breeds, the labradoodle actually had a good purpose it was bred for. I think they had a good start, but like a lot of things, money took it off the rails.

 

I don't think most labradoodles are hypoallergenic at this point either. I read his comments about his regrets a while back. I see a few around here. The ones I've had contact with seemed like their temperaments are fine.

 

We groom three doodles. They are all sweet, but wild. Two of them have had really severe skin allergies.

 

Since my computer locked up and I lost my whole previous post, I missed something when I retyped it:

I do not believe that there are that many irresponsible owners. I think that the things that they due speak so loudly that it appears that they are many more of them than there are. I am not talking about a dog living in a yard or even having a litter of puppies because they are cute or I wanted the kids to experience the birth or whatever. If those people properly home the puppies, so what, they are providing for their animals. They will not ruin the breed because serious breeders will not buy pups from them. Anyway, some of the serious breeders are the cause of some the things folks complain most about the breed.

The irresponsible people I am talking of, that there are few in number, I believe, are those that would leave a litter at the pound, dump a pregnant nbitch in the woods. , not take a prong off a dog and let it inbed (or any collar for that matter) not take a dog to the vet who is seriously ill or injured, or who let their dogs roam.

I think they are few, but their actions speack loudest.

 

Ha, a meetup of the forum members here would likely end up in an all out physical brawl. Between both owners and GSD’s ?

 

Just thinking we have to get a little less serious. We are not average or ordinary, but ornery -- yeah!
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I had an F1 GD. He was a total chill dog. He did shed and I doubt he was full Hypo. Great dog, got Duke a GSD when the GD was 3. The GD was never the same. Just could not keep up athletically and intellectually with the GSD. Just became a lazy dog.

So I got the Golden Doodle about 14 years ago. At the time they were little known. The only doodle was the labradoodle. When people would ask what kind of dog it was they would look puzzled at the answer.

Now my walk in the park, lake, hikes etc are filled with GD’s. Maybe 30%. Trouble is they all look different because there are very few F1 GDs.


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I think what bothers me most about the doodles is that I feel people buy one because they look like big stuffed animals. And then are surprised when there is still a normal dog's brain and dog needs under that fluffy.

And the berner-doodle is an aberration.

If you just want to make money off breeding, do it with doodles.

 

I’m amazed that people will pay $3000 for a labradoodle puppy. For a mixed breed dog. If I had that kind of money to spend on a puppy, I’d be buying a GSD show puppy. I think people just like saying the word doodle, lol.

 

Doodles are good dogs. Could care less about the mixed breed. Like any dog, you pay for a good breeder.


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The problem is most aren't ethical breeders. They make up the far minority of doodle breeders. I've at the moment only heard of one in my area that does health testing. Most people are just breeding them and selling them for a huge price. Like bernedoodle puppies for $3000, no health testing just sold as a craze. St. Bernoodle F1 dogs sold as non-drooling non-sheddding super puppies for $1000. They were backyard bred if not puppy mill bred. People are getting suckereed in by the cute looks, fad, and the supposed hypoallergenic coat.

Ausiedoodles are a big thing right now cause then they can make blue Merle and really sell them like crazy.

 

We have a lot of Golden doodles around where I live they seem like sweet dogs that do not shed. Some are hypo allergenic. I think that every one who chooses to purchase a dog from a breeder does so for their own reasons. The prices are quite interesting. Supply and demand I suppose. It is a sad though when people breed only for profit and nothing else.

I know of people that do not like German shepherds either. People that own a particular breed feels that their breed is the best in the universe or so they should.

 

I should not have googled the doodles. They even have a GSD/Doodle. I’m waiting for a BB/Doodle to start popping up in my neck of the cacti.

Most of them look ridiculous. And the price tag? It’s a “designer dog” price tag. The price and BYB’s that popped up skyrocketed when Paris Hilton was a thing with her chihuahua’s that she would match to her outfits, and then it was a competition to see who could out bling their chihuahuas and almost everyone carried them around in a designer purse until pet marketers got smart and started making designer dog carriers.

Anything that rises quickly in popularity generally becomes a wreck of a breed because they are BYB’s that don’t care and just want the money. They would probably start capturing bear cubs and figure out how to cross breed them with a dog if they thought it would become a high demand thing.

Maybe we should state mandate a registration and steep fines for BYB’s themselves, and spay/neuter for the wrecks they breed.

 

I try not to pass judgement on other breeds and the owners that choose them.

I “try” but I do have an unconscious bias against little yappy lap dogs. They are just annoying and the owners of these dogs usually have no control over them because they are untrained and the dog calls all the shots.

Any who, yeah, I try not to pass judgement[emoji12]


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Doodle breeders will tell you that they can predict exactly how a poodle cross (whatever) is going to turn out. If it's a Berner doodle, which I find simply wrong, they'll say it is a slightly more agile, healthier, and non-shedding berner. Well, one I saw was really young and had a strange gait, and just was overall weird. Probably this poor dog was a shedding, less agile, very unhealthy berner that will still die of berner cancer at age 7. And cost way more than my imported, out of titled/health checked parents, proven temperament puppy. Actually, 3 times as much! So the breeders are lying to the buyers and charging a fortune. They have no interest in the health of their pups, they are just jumping on the doodle bubble to make money.

I have met many doodles out on the trails. Most are a bit wild and stupid but fine - not aggressive or anything. Some are more poorly bred looking than others. Some look pretty decent- I tend to prefer the goldendoodle look. But, they are a mutt, plain and simple, and surely adding a poodle to any breed does not improve it or make it instantly non shedding.

I wish more people would buy Portueguese water dogs- they seem like decent pets, and at least they are proven to be hypoallergenic.