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Discussion starter · #101 ·
I would say that the sire having any contribution to stillborn pups, or a litter dying shortly after birth, is highly unlikely. The most likely causes would be environment, possibly a virus, or something with the dam rather than anything to do with the genetics of the sire. So whether sire or his owner are considered good or ethical or not, I really don't see how stillborn pups or a litter dying after birth could be laid on them.

Thanks CHris. I wasn't sure if they could have anything to do with each other or not. This is why I don't breed lol. :)
 
Thanks CHris. I wasn't sure if they could have anything to do with each other or not. This is why I don't breed lol. :)
Hey, this is just one of the billion reasons I'll never breed EVER EVER EVER!!! :)

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Also....a dog can produce a problem once...and never produce it again.
One can "have" a problem...and yet, never produce it....
This is how life is.
One must always look at things *eyes wide open*.

Breeding is complicated, it is heart wrenching, it is finacially and emotionally draining......but it is also rewarding and a passion for many of us.
 
Breeding is complicated, it is heart wrenching, it is finacially and emotionally draining......but it is also rewarding and a passion for many of us.
I'm so glad that the responsible breeders do what they do, and do it so well.
Having a dog from a breeder that just put dogs together to make a litter and then one that is well bred from one that puts time, training, heart and soul into it shows in the dogs produced.
Until I experienced one of each, I really don't know the difference.
 
Oh Kendra, my heart breaks for you. Big hugs to you.
 
Discussion starter · #107 ·
I value every minute I had with him and I know he is now in a much better place.

When I started this thread, it was for a purpose, to try to help me figure things out. I received an amazing, healthy puppy. Unfortunately, when he was 12 1/2 weeks old, he started to show symptoms of megaesophagus. That is when the vet diagnosed him with primary idiopathic megaesophagus.

My breeder, Chuck, did what I feel is extremely responsible. He pulled the Zeus' dam aside. There is not a genetic test yet, so there is no way of knowing who carries what, and he showed responsibility to lessen the chance of breeding it again. As much as I know it sucks for him, he showed a true sense of responsibility.

The owner of the sire is from a complete different kennel and is in no way owned by Chuck. The sire's owner has hid his head in the sand and is refusing to acknowledge or let potential dam owners know that a mega e dog was produced. This I feel is irresponsible breeding practices and risks more mega e dogs and carriers into the world. He has also cut off any and all contact with people who know anything about this.

When I read multiple times on this thread how megaesophagus is not a severe condition, it made me very angry. It is a severe condition. A very severe condition. Yes, maybe one or two have had some degree of experience, and thankfully it was extremely mild for you. Unless you have had to deal with severe megaesophagus, comments about "it's not that bad" should not be made. My Zeus was put to sleep yesterday because of this dreadful condition. He had a bad day and there was no way we could pull him out of it.

My breeder has been absolutely wonderful. This was my second dog from him. I have had some of the most outstanding breeder support I could ever ask for, not just in the bad times but the good as well. Chuck was there 100% after Leyna and still is to this day. He has been there through the entire megaesophagus journey and called every single day to see how Zeus was. He didn't have to do this but he did, all because he cares about and stands 100% behind every dog he produces.

I wouldn't change the circumstances for anything. I value each and every minute I had with Zeus. I don't regret telling Chuck we would do our best and try to give him a good life.

We will soon be getting a new pup from Chuck and I look forward to adding a new member once again to our household. Just like I will be going back to Chuck in a few more years for yet another dog. His breeder support has been amazing, through thick and thin, and every dog I get will come from him.
 
I am so very very sorry, poor you and poor Zeus, just devastating:(
 
Kendra, as I said during our phone calls that I would not comment on this thread I do feel that now is a great time to. We here at Shepherds By Design K-9 are truly sorry for all the pain we have brought to your family with Zeus's issues. It breaks my heart to see the pain you and your family are going thru and hope that this new pup will lessen the pain and bring much joy for you and your family
 
Discussion starter · #111 ·
Kendra, as I said during our phone calls that I would not comment on this thread I do feel that now is a great time to. We here at Shepherds By Design K-9 are truly sorry for all the pain we have brought to your family with Zeus's issues. It breaks my heart to see the pain you and your family are going thru and hope that this new pup will lessen the pain and bring much joy for you and your family

Chuck, I don't blame you in any way, shape or form. You have been an amazing ally in this journey. My family is proud to own dogs that come from you and we will continue to have your dogs grace our home. Your outstanding support for all dogs we have received from you has been top notch and way more than we could have ever asked for. We will always have dogs from Shepherds By Design in our home, because of the outstanding support that has come from you as well as the amazing dogs you have already placed in our hearts.
 
Just cross referencing some various threads on a couple of sites....apparently there is a litter bred 2-2 on the sire of the male producing mega E as cited here?????? Or did I misunderstand the posts/pedigrees????


Lee
 
Discussion starter · #113 ·
Just cross referencing some various threads on a couple of sites....apparently there is a litter bred 2-2 on the sire of the male producing mega E as cited here?????? Or did I misunderstand the posts/pedigrees????


Lee

No, different threads Lee. :) The breeding in question had no linebreeding.
 
So sorry, Kendra. Mega-E NOT a serious condition?!?! IMO it doesn't get a lot more serious especially if it's severe.
 
Discussion starter · #115 ·
So sorry, Kendra. Mega-E NOT a serious condition?!?! IMO it doesn't get a lot more serious especially if it's severe.

It was mentioned a few times on this thread that it isn't severe. I have now had to deal with it and I know exactly how severe it is.

I just thank God I have had such amazing support from Chuck. We will actually be getting Zeus' full brother who is clear of ME.
 
Oh my.... I just read this. I'm SO sorry for your loss. I think maybe now some folks will understand your passion about this subject.
I want to applaud SBD for truly being stand up breeders in all aspects of this whole thing.
 
Discussion starter · #117 ·
Oh my.... I just read this. I'm SO sorry for your loss. I think maybe now some folks will understand your passion about this subject.
I want to applaud SBD for truly being stand up breeders in all aspects of this whole thing.

It truly is a horrible condition.

I just am so thankful Chuck is such a stand up guy. If it wasn't for his support, I don't kow how I could have hung in there. :)
 
No, different threads Lee. :) The breeding in question had no linebreeding.
I believe that a different member is getting a puppy that is 2-2 on the grandsire of your pup.....that is the comment I was making....Xavier Spartanville?????

Lee
 
Discussion starter · #119 ·
I believe that a different member is getting a puppy that is 2-2 on the grandsire of your pup.....that is the comment I was making....Xavier Spartanville?????

Lee

Ahh, gotcha. Yes.

As far as I know, Xavier has never produced this and my pup's sire is now getting sold to a different breeding home.
 
So sorry, Kendra. Mega-E NOT a serious condition?!?! IMO it doesn't get a lot more serious especially if it's severe.
WHOA there, mega can be horrible but by far and away isn't a death sentence for many dogs. You hear about the sickest dogs and nothing from owners like me.

This is my Elsa Rose, lived to 10 years old (and her 2 mega brothers lived longer). She was one of the top GSD's in agility and got her MACH Championship. She went into NYC after 9/11 and helped as a Therapy Dog for the families and workers. http://www.4gsd.net/therapydogs.html
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This is my GloryB who is over 3 years old and working in Ex Agility and doing fine....
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I've been on mega support sites for YEARS and know of people who have killed their perfectly healthy mega pup merely because of the fear people have put in them (vets too) saying your pup WILL die and WILL suffer and this is the kinder thing......

So what I know, really know from person experience now with TWO different mega dogs from completely different breeders is that the condition is NOT an instant death sentence and neither of my dogs are suffering cause I didn't kill them as puppys.

Really, look at the photos. My dogs are just fine. The condition CAN be severe and puppies CAN be constantly sick and get pneumonia and/or not keep food down so they will be too ill to survive. But there appears to be a sliding scale that you can clearly see by looking at the puppy in front of you. If you can manage the condition and keep the puppy healthy and fit to the first year, you will probably have a normal adult dog.

If, instead, you get a puppy that you can't manage to keep food in, that just loses weight and is constantly ill, then those are the puppies with the worst prognosis. I'm sure this was the situation with Zeus and sorry he ended up so ill at the end....
 
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