[Baillif]

There can be. There are showline versions of the Groenendael, Tervuren, and Laekenois which really act nothing quite like the working line malinois.

The Tervs and Groenendael's I've seen in person had practically zero working ability. I've seen decent ones out there but the ones I've dealt with in person are mostly for show and bred for looks. There are working line Terv breeders out there. I don't know if I've ever actually seen a Laekenois.

 

[Muskeg]

What Bailiff said. I have and bred one litter of working-line tervuren. Both sire and dam are out of malinois parents. The pups are all malinois in behavior, temperament, etc. Just like a long-coat GSD is the same aside from coat length. There are a few popular malinois studs that seem to throw long-coat malinois (tervuren anywhere but here per AKC). My litter was reg'd with the Can. Kennel Club (CKC) as they recognize all four Belgians under one umbrella, so a litter could have both reg'd malinois and tervuren, per coat type of individual pups. European registries that I've investigated are the same. AKC is the only registry I've seen that considers tervuren and malinois separate breeds.

Here is a Swedish working-line tervuren that went to FMBB this summer. If I ever breed again (may not, as good homes are hard to find particularly for long-coats), I would consider using him. Nice dog. Krokasmedens Wolverine ? working-dog. Or this working-line tervuren, who is ring-3, Berkana D'Jo ? working-dog. Here's a male out of my breeding Gulo Gulo's Axl ? working-dog

So, it all depends on the lines. The show-line tervuren I've seen are a totally different dog than the working line. I've heard of many issues with nerves and shyness, along with health problems like epilepsy. I also am not a fan of their head shape, coat, or coloring... but to each his own.

 

[mycobraracr]

There can be. There are showline versions of the Groenendael, Tervuren, and Laekenois which really act nothing quite like the working line malinois.

The Tervs and Groenendael's I've seen in person had practically zero working ability. I've seen decent ones out there but the ones I've dealt with in person are mostly for show and bred for looks. There are working line Terv breeders out there. I don't know if I've ever actually seen a Laekenois.

I've seen/worked a couple SL mals as well. Umm.... Well things that had a slight physical resemblance to a mal. They win shows, but about crapped themselves when the burlap on the end of the flirt pole moved.

 

[kburrow11]

English hails from England . Any deviation in spelling well... Call it french, or Canadian...
There is only one real source of English. And thats how the word humour is spelled. American English is a deviation. So I would appreciate you not correcting my grammar, when it is in fact correct.

Actually, American English is the original, correct way of speaking. When the colonies were founded, Americans and British spoke the same way. Americans haven't deviated from that hardly at all. However, shortly after the Revolutionary War, the British adopted a 'posh' accent and way of speaking, to show a difference between them and commoners. This has become known as Received Pronunciation. The only American accents that aren't the original way of speaking are New Yorker and Bostonian.

Why Do Americans and Brits Have Different Accents? | When Did American and British Accents Diverge? | English Pronunciation

 

[WesS]

English hails from England

. Any deviation in spelling well... Call it french, or Canadian...
There is only one real source of English. And thats how the word humour is spelled. American English is a deviation. So I would appreciate you not correcting my grammar, when it is in fact correct.

Actually, American English is the original, correct way of speaking. When the colonies were founded, Americans and British spoke the same way. Americans haven't deviated from that hardly at all. However, shortly after the Revolutionary War, the British adopted a 'posh' accent and way of speaking, to show a difference between them and commoners. This has become known as Received Pronunciation. The only American accents that aren't the original way of speaking are New Yorker and Bostonian.

Why Do Americans and Brits Have Different Accents? | When Did American and British Accents Diverge? | English Pronunciation

All Americans don't sound the same. All English don't sound the same.

The world is much bigger than just the USA. Other countries have dialects too. Dialects over history and time. So your claims on accent is ridiculous.

England existed and had a language, before America was ever founded... So I don't know What on earth America has anything to do with that.

America was not the only British colony... It astounds me that you think this way.

 

[kburrow11]

All Americans don't sound the same. All English don't sound the same.

The world is much bigger than just the USA. Other countries have dialects too. Dialects over history and time. So your claims on accent is ridiculous.

England existed and had a language, before America was ever founded... So I don't know What on earth America has anything to do with that.

America was not the only British colony... It astounds me that you think this way.

The thing is, you're stating that American English is a deviation, when in reality it isn't, it's kept the original pronunciation and spelling, and British English and all other English dialects deviated from it after the colonies were founded.

 

[WesS]

All Americans don't sound the same. All English don't sound the same.

The world is much bigger than just the USA. Other countries have dialects too. Dialects over history and time. So your claims on accent is ridiculous.

England existed and had a language, before America was ever founded... So I don't know What on earth America has anything to do with that.

America was not the only British colony... It astounds me that you think this way.

The thing is, you're stating that American English is a deviation, when in reality it isn't, it's kept the original pronunciation and spelling, and British English and all other English dialects deviated from it after the colonies were founded.

http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~kemmer/Histengl/spelling.html

Here is an actual academic article.

Original English is based of Latin and in Latin it was originally based on phonetic principles.

Americans kept regional dialect/spelling to differentiate themselves and show further independence from Britain who they fought wars of independence against. They standardised these norms based in America and nowhere else. The world is a much bigger place than USA. And as they say the sun never set in the old British empire.

Short of forming their own language. They made it their 'own'.

American spelling is more a form of patriotism and independence than anything sembling being first, original or correct.

 

[Baillif]

As long as they're calling them malinwahs and not malinoise I'm cool with whatever version of English is being used.

 

[carmspack]

there is a reason that so many news ankers in the USA are Canadian -- Peter Jennings , Kevin Newman, John Roberts, Bob McKeon , Keith Morrison, Morley Safer.

The CBC uses BBC "Queen's English"

George Bernard Shaw wrote Pymalion , which you probably know from the musical/movie My Fair Lady , in which he instructs a street person to not use colloquial language and to change grammar and dialect for the perceived upper class posh Queen's English.

The difference is that English is a living language and took in many words from all lands and ages . American spelling is geared towards how it actually sounds when spoken.

English can do that . And that is a good thing , whether you spell it fiber or fibre .

 

[Cheyanna]

All those guys are Canadian? I had no idea. Some good things come out of Canada. Jake Doyle and littlest hobo are my favorite. My Canadian friend said there was a store called Brewers retail, but Americans didn't know what it was and changed the name to beer store. His wife and I both thought it was a store to buy stuff to brew beer.

Being Mohawk, the Rez covers NY and Canada. I could be a First Nations.

 

[WesS]

there is a reason that so many news ankers in the USA are Canadian -- Peter Jennings , Kevin Newman, John Roberts, Bob McKeon , Keith Morrison, Morley Safer.

The CBC uses BBC "Queen's English"

George Bernard Shaw wrote Pymalion , which you probably know from the musical/movie My Fair Lady , in which he instructs a street person to not use colloquial language and to change grammar and dialect for the perceived upper class posh Queen's English.

The difference is that English is a living language and took in many words from all lands and ages . American spelling is geared towards how it actually sounds when spoken.

English can do that . And that is a good thing , whether you spell it fiber or fibre .

You do realise americans have strong accents? Highly variable from state to state? And distinguishably different from the Many countries that speak english?

So I ask you... How can american spelling be geared to how 'it actually sounds'. When there is no universal way it sounds.

You could correctly say maybe, its geared towards how it 'sounds' in America. But I think that too would be a strong statement. And contrary to the article I attached.

 

[Castlemaid]

This is so off topic and veering into personal bickering.

And since I'm an Admin, and Canadian, I have the advantange of posting a few final words:

HONOUR, FLAVOUR, CENTRE, NEIGHBOURHOOD, COLOUR, LITRE.

Locked.