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Kramer....(posting for Jean)

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Not sure where to post this. I know where I am refusing to post this. Jean will likely not be online this evening. I am posting this with her permission, and I know this family's show of support fo JeanPakistan will help her through this.
Kramer has acted a little lame the past few days, which Jean chalked up to the cold, ice, snow, hard to get around in/on. Gave him Metacam, seemed ok.
Today he was full of malarky at 7, enjoying Mariele chasing him around. (Only dog to get away with that it her- the dog with a screw loose and "drain bamage." LOL) By 9-ish, he was stumbling. Went to vet. "His" vet on vacation, saw other vet. Anemic, and something else. Got a shot of something, I forget what Jean said. Had abdominal ultrasound late afternoon. (Done at another vet entirely.)

It kills me to write this. Kramer has a liver tumor. Due to location it is inoperable. It is one of 3 things- spawn of the liver tumor he already beat, or hemangiosarcoma, or another type altogether.
She did go back to the other vet, and talked. She had a list of questions, but forgot to bring them in. Vet knows/understands that alot has been thrown at Jean, and is calling her tomorrow to talk more. It could be a day, a month, who knows.
Jean is re-grouping, and will post tomorrow after she speaks with the vet.
Basic plan is, manage any symptoms, and maximize his quality while maintaining his dignity, and position as supreme ruler of JeanPakistan. All plans will be centered around making his time count. Spaghetti and pizza, trips to the cemetary.
 
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I wanna snuggle Mario, and Grimmi calls dibs on Ilsa! He wants her to, you know, like, teach him more about 'TUDE!!
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Checking in to see how HRH Kramer is doing, and his loyal assistant, Jean. Sending more prayers for good days as the weather gets ready to warm up, hopefully.
 
#354 ·
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Well Jean I think most of the Packistanies are accounted for and have their sleepover arrangements made so you can do on your biz trip.

Yeah so how is HRH and his lowly assistant doing?
 
#355 ·
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We have doled them all out-can you imagine the confusion and chaos for them!

They'll be fine at the vet office-thanks though Vickie! I wouldn't subject anyone to my neuroses...

I wasn't going to give Kramer the bordatella vaccine-the three dogs going to boarding are supposed to have it. Sorry for the confusion. So my alternate is to give put them on abx (he's on abx already) so that instead of vaccinating, I prevent that way. So how does that sound before I ask my vet and he says uh...no.
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I think it's logical!

I am going to get some stuff with more MSM!

This poor guy-he did hurt his back/legs when he fell. It just took a couple of days for the discomfort to hit. He's got the tramadol to mask it, but I am wondering...before you fall down Ruth...is it Traumeel that is a natural anti-inflammatory? Will it interact negatively with any of his Rx pills? He can't take the Metacam, which I know would help, because of the steroids (which...he needs).

I am trying to institute more down time for him. So difficult! I am going in a little bit to one of the dollar stores to get some small quilts for him-he's needing some cushion, but if it's too high or too low, it's hard-I think a folded quilt (that can also be washed when he has an accident) will work better. Thank goodness for that harness. He would probably like a track system-with a ceiling to Kramer lift system-like traction but so that he could walk around! (not sure if anyone else is visualizing what I am thinking of!)

I took him and Ava on a little road trip/errand yesterday. He loved it-until he had to poop in the car-and started screaming because he didn't want to and I had to pull over and find a spot to let him out-and the whole time I was thinking the screaming was for another reason. Oddly, he did poop in the car, right down the hole in the paper towels I had standing up on the floor of the back seat! Quite the shot!

Other than that, he looked out the window, enjoyed meeting new people, fell asleep in the sunshine, and had a roast beef sub with Ava. And I forgot that Ava vomits in the car-moving or not-when she eats!
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Whoops!
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Any other odors we'd like to add to that old car smell?

He was really tired when we got home and actually slept, so that was good. Today he might be slightly less sore-but still you can see his hind end is not matching his front end. And today he seems to be saying huh, maybe a little rest is good for me! So that's great-a week of good rest does wonders for his back.

OH! I forgot! I saw that there were ponies or mini-horses in a paddock with a driveway/parking lot right next to them-so we could pull in and get close enough for him to see them. He was SO excited! He has always loved horses-back when he was young I would say horse and point to which side of the car and he'd look as we'd pass by. I took him to little farms and things for him to see them and he'd be all HORSE!
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HORSE! One time, I pulled up by a field, put the back (safety) window down for him to look out, and he jumped out of the window and went into the field with the horses. EEEEEEEK! That was the last time I did that. Anyway, these ponies ran right up to the car, and he got to see them-I didn't put the window down though.
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I am thinking if the weather approaches something warm, we'll go horse hunting and I swear if it's spring and there's a mini pony to lease and Kramer is with me...
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#357 ·
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Ok, I've picked myself up from the floor now.
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Sorry that Kramer pulled something.
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Chama fell down the stairs the same day he hurt himself b/c her goofy brother dropped his ball down there and she tripped on it on the way down. Luckily the stairs are carpeted and she appears none the worse for the wear...although she's as stubborn as Kramer so who knows.

Arnica works but it might be a little late now, best to use right after an injury.

Traumeel works but might not be strong enough.

Right now I give Chama this stuff at night and it is working really well: http://www.b-naturals.com/tashas-herbspirin-2-oz-p-49

You can give it up to three times a day, I think.

And love the horse stories! I'm glad you found him some ponies to visit. One of the last things my silly, sweet Basu did before he died was to make friends with a horse!
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And Massie loved to sneak into pastures and chase horses!
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One time she came racing out and jumped into the back of the truck though because a COW started chasing her back! Ha, ha!
 
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Zamboni had a chiro appointment this Friday. She strongly advises that you find a chiropractor for Kramer -- but one that knows that you can't just crunch and push mature bones into place. One must be gentle with joints that have a lot of miles on them, have seen numerous sunrises, sunsets, and been nourished by a lot of roast beef sandwiches.

(She said she would bite me if I used the words "old," "geriatric," or "elderly.")

So I'm using a different vet chiropractor with even better results -- one that appreciates the longevity in some of his patients.

She was sore for about 12 hours after her appointment; now, she is bouncing around in the yard. Yes, bouncing and bounding. She spent the last several weeks sleeping under the dining room table, clearly not feeling well in our damp cold.

Now this:
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And we have snow on the ground. Hasn't phased her a bit.
 
#360 ·
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Kramer has had chiropractic. I think vet visits are very traumatic for him though. Chama definitely needs chiropractic but she gets so upset going to the vet that I really don't like putting her through it.
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I think that's the same for Kramer.
 
#362 ·
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I say Jean opens up a JeansPakistan's Grub 'n Grille, serves the chiro guy some of this juicy hot bison steak and eggs, hearty rich pressure-cooker chicken stews, and melt-in-your-mouth poundcake.. with or withOUT pills. Exchange for the chiro services at home, complete with the homecooked meals! What are bison steaks with a few drifting undercoat clumps, anyway?? Shall I send some? Clumps, I mean.
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Seriously.. any chance of a home visit?
 
#363 ·
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Too bad you're not in RI - I'm pretty sure my holistic vet/chiropractor makes "farm" calls.
 
#365 ·
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He pooped in the paper towel roll???
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Kramer you are TO FUNNY. Poor baby, when ya, gotta go, ya gotta go...
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I can just picture Ana pukeing, Kramer pooping, ....really sounds like one of my days....
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Yes, Kramer needs a pony...more sponge cake and a home visit from a spa....
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Where do I deliver the pony?
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#366 ·
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Well, I found Kramer's assistance pony! Or mini-horse, I guess:
http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=12750865
Isn't she adorable! I wish. Daisy, send her to WNY!

I went with the Traumeel because I was ordering other stuff from Entirely Pets for him. http://www.entirelypets.com/hetrordr50ml..._utmk=220263961 but I am going to show it to his vet just in case. I guess this is what is in it:
Each 300 mg tablet contains: Belladonna 4X 75mg, Arnica Montana radix 3X 40mg, Aconitum napellus 3X 30mg, Chamomilla 3X, Symphytum officinale 8X 24mg each, Calendula officianalis 2X, Hamamelis virginiana 2X, Milefonium 3X, Hepar sulphurus calcaeum 8X, Mercurius solubilis 8X 15mg each, Hypericum perforatum 3X 8mg, Bellis perennis 2X, Echinacea angustifolia 2X, Echinacea purpurea 2X 6mg each.

I want to make sure none of it is stuff that will mess with his red cell production. I went a little nuts and got some Nupro, that Cetyl M stuff, Glyco-Flex III (he won't take the Synovi anymore but will take GF), this VetriScience liver stuff: http://www.entirelypets.com/gluta-dmg-ls..._utmk=162263997 and then some Transfer Factors from KV Vet-I have no idea if I'll actually use them, but they are backordered so I have time to think about it. Plus his vetriscience senior vitamin-which I will give like one a day to substitute for the other vitamin-he doesn't seem to like that. Molasses smells and taste seem to be off-putting.

No chiropractic for Kramer!
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Yes, vet visits are bad and it's too cold to be outside-plus the nearest are, in this weather, about an hour a way. But on top of that, we tried it, and while it initially helped and there was a good reaction, after that, I did not like the effect it had on him. He's part Chow-this is my thinking-they are a stiff dog, and I think that stiffness is kind of important in keeping them in their own alignment. If the weather improves to the point where I think a three hour round trip/expidition to a vet office would benefit him more than upset him, I will consider it. Until then, I am going to look at a more PT/bed rest type approach of keeping him moving alternating with a good amount of down time. Plus the supplements. And tons o' Reiki.

If it were closer, and he was like Bruno-who loooooves the vet office, maybe...but not for now. Too much other stuff going on to think about adding that worry!

Clumps of undercoat!
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We can trade-Sable for mostly black!

He got up last night hungry and thirsty so I gave him a pancake with butter and peanut butter. I think that was a bad idea.

Tomorrow he goes back to the vet. Knock wood. I am just hoping we hold steady. Hoping he continues to rage as long as he is able.

Hey, how come no one has contacted me about getting their dogs?
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#367 ·
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Yes, that pony Millie is TO cute. She would be perfect.
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Wow, never saw ponies on Petfinder, never thought about it,
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Get some rest Kramer. It is SO cold here today....I will too!
 
#368 ·
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The traumeel won't interfere with his other meds. It did work for Massie but as she got older and more arthritis, not so much. It's good to have on hand tough and should be used immediately after an injury. You can use it too (not saying you WILL, just saying you CAN).
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It is windy and cold here today. Took Chama out without her jacket but she seemed ok, just happy to be out on her walk.

If it's possible to get Kramer out for some short walks on even, non-slippery ground, that would be great, just to keep everything limber.

Give him a big smoochie and tell him it was from me, just so he doesn't get mad at you!
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And I'm voting yes on the pony b/c she could pull Kramer around in a wagon! I can see it now...
 
#371 ·
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Originally Posted By: JeanKBBMMMAAN


I took him and Ava on a little road trip/errand yesterday. He loved it-until he had to poop in the car-and started screaming because he didn't want to and I had to pull over and find a spot to let him out-and the whole time I was thinking the screaming was for another reason. Oddly, he did poop in the car, right down the hole in the paper towels I had standing up on the floor of the back seat! Quite the shot!

OH! I forgot! I saw that there were ponies or mini-horses in a paddock with a driveway/parking lot right next to them-so we could pull in and get close enough for him to see them. He was SO excited! He has always loved horses-back when he was young I would say horse and point to which side of the car and he'd look as we'd pass by. I took him to little farms and things for him to see them and he'd be all HORSE!
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HORSE! One time, I pulled up by a field, put the back (safety) window down for him to look out, and he jumped out of the window and went into the field with the horses. EEEEEEEK! That was the last time I did that. Anyway, these ponies ran right up to the car, and he got to see them-I didn't put the window down though.
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I am thinking if the weather approaches something warm, we'll go horse hunting and I swear if it's spring and there's a mini pony to lease and Kramer is with me...
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I love this old guy!!!!! Keep it up Kramer!!!!!
 
#372 ·
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Originally Posted By: JeanKBBMMMAANTomorrow he goes back to the vet. Knock wood. I am just hoping we hold steady.
Knocking on all the wood I can find, and there's a lot of wood in our house.
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Lots 'o luck. Please keep us posted.
 
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So I can trade my dogs in to everyone and then get Millie...somehow...I can't imagine that working out!

The good news is that he seems to be getting around better, and had to stand up at the vet for a very long time (another dog in need of attention more) and didn't really sag much. He's tired now, but was there for 2 hours!

The not so good news is that his hematocrit went down to 27 from 32. So it's halfway between the worst it has been recently, and the best.

He may have bled out a little more when he fell, or even in the times he's slid on ice and splayed. Or...I don't know why else it might have gone down.

He got the two B shots. I am going to stop with the food fillers because he now weighs 56 pounds, and stick with meats.

I got permission to get a blood builder I found in the KV Vet catalog. I was looking at the Lixitonic (on this page: http://www.kvvet.com/KVVet/dept.asp?dept...A541EC561D85567 ) but think I am going to go with this Amino Plex and hope that the guy at the dog food store I am going to after my meeting has some-he carries this brand: http://www.kvvet.com/KVVet/productr.asp?...A541EC561D85567

It has potassium in it, which someone was talking about at a meeting yesterday and I thought that was something we aren't really addressing and that he needs. I could be cuckoo and have no idea-but it seems like from what they were explaining to me (it was interesting) that it could help to have a little more of that. Cuz Kramer ain't eatin' no bananas! He leaves that to health food boy Bruno!

If the dog food guy doesn't have it, I'll decide tonight which to get-so input always welcomed!

I also got the okay for the Traumeel.

I don't want to overdo supplements, etc. but truly am thinking that's not the issue.

He goes back Friday for a re-check and I am hoping it stays the same. His overall exam was a wood knocker, so that's also good news. He also got some nice attention from a mom and her daughter who were waiting for their Yorkie to get neutered.

I'll be back in a second to post a picture.
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I am not sure how I got it so that Mariele looks so tiny and he looks so huge, but here they are-waiting for a treat-pretty happy face for such a little treat!
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Thanks, Kathy-I appreciate it.
 
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Waiting for picture.....

I am glad he seems to be doing better but not so happy about the crit level dropping....
 
#376 ·
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Wanna see King Kramer picture!!
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I am glad he will get that crit level re-checked soon. But I love that he is eating so WELL and is getting around so well! Two hours at the vet's would tire ME out!
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