[Jax08]

No one is trying to intimidate anyone. .

As Mrs P said, no one is trying to intimidate.

Nowhere did I say anyone was TRYING to intimidate anyone.

Apparently I do have a different idea of decent. And what is realistic. I'm going to go train a few things for my dog's BH while my eggs are baking. Maybe he'll be decent in a year.:wild:

 

[Jax08]

:rofl: ahhh...I see it now. I should have put the names together sooner.

 

[Stonevintage]

:rofl: ahhh...I see it now. I should have put the names together sooner.

Ha! At the rate I'm going, I may end up with a 3 year old that is very indecent. Just another splendid example of misinterpretation on intent and words used to describe things I think. I see what you are saying and it seems it's all a matter of degrees.

 

[Drewbacca]

I am a baby.

All I knew is my momma and litter mates, and the lady with the food.

I was with my momma and littermates all the time. They were awesome companions, we played and played and then collapsed in a pile to sleep. We ate together and got drinks from momma. When something happened we were all together, and momma was there, like when we went to the big scary white place, and they had this bee that got me, but I didn't even flinch -- they said so.

And, sometimes momma barked and sometimes she got all excited. But with momma there, we weren't scared. We got excited because the lady with the food brought food and toys and stuff. The food came and everyone gathered around. There were toys and tails to chase and always a brother to wrestle with which is the funnest thing in the whole world.

Then one day other people came. They looked at us and picked me. They took me away from the play yard, and my nice warm sleeping place, where I piled up with my brothers and sisters. Momma was barking and my brothers were making noise, but I wasn't too scared because the lady with the food was walking with us. The new people got into the car with me. I wasn't too sure about this. I wimpered. But they were holding me, and it seemed ok. We were going for a ride in the car.

I don't know if I threw up on the way home. I don't remember much about it. I was worried about where my brothers and sisters were. I never went anywhere without them. It was a long ride. I think maybe I fell asleep.

But then, I came into this new place. I looked for my momma. I couldn't see her or hear her or even smell her. I was frightened. My brothers weren't here either. It was just me, and everything smells so funny. Everything sounds so strange. I wasn't hungry. The food seemed the same, I think. But, I dunno. It's different.

They put me in this box. It was small, and I felt safe in there, but I couldn't get out. And momma was gone. And my brothers and sisters are gone, and I am all alone. I have never been alone before. It's scary. It's lonely. Where is my mamma!!! Where is the lady with the food? Ok, you, new lady, I want to be with you so I am not all by myself.
Maybe if you are here, it is ok. It will be ok. Don't Go Away!!!

Every day, I forget a little about how it used to be. I do other stuff with the people that have me. I figured out stairs today. That was pretty cool. And when that scary thing in the room they called the bathroom made that noise, I thought it was going to bite the lady, but she seemed to be ok with it. I wasn't too sure. Maybe she has power. Maybe she can protect me from the scary thing.

And they put this rope thing on me, and tried to take me out. At first I thought I was going home. But we walked and walked. I was tired. But I kept walking. Finally, I sat down and wouldn't walk any more. She picked me up and carried me the rest of the way back to their house.

And I can't just pee anywhere. They scooped me up and took me outside. I think they want me to pee outside. Not sure, but I think so. It's strange. I never really thought much about peeing before.

Night is the worst. They shut all the doors and stuff, and I can't hear anything. I want to tell them to move this box thing to the bedroom so I can hear them sleeping. Then at least I wouldn't feel all alone. I cry because I am alone, and I miss sleeping with the others. I don't think I'm supposed to be all alone. I am trying to tell her that.

welp, this just tore me apart.

 

[middleofnowhere]

Sue had an eloquent post that states how I am sure many pups see it.

Now to the subsequent "3 year" debate - depends on the dog.
Barker the Elder the 2nd - came out of the box with focus. Walked on a leash at the first time at PDX. You'd have thought she was born walking on a leash. Took maybe two illustrations for her to get "ring the bell to go out". Toilet trained very easily. (In a two story house at that). Would modify my clothing as I drove with her in the cab beside me, could sneak a good shoe off the bed with me inches from the shoe. Was a snap at obedience training.
Barker the Younger the 2nd. Had been crate trained before I picked her up. Was used to being left alone. Got her home, you'd never know it. Wailed like she was being tortured if the other dog and I left the house. She was a year old before she was toilet trained. At about 2 she suddenly got obedience training. Like overnight. I could use any collar and she was a champ.

I've had other dogs that "got it" right away; others that waited until they were 2. Depends on the dog. (Handler was the same BTW.)


Predicting "when" is beyond me!

 

[Apexk9]

I think every GSD owner who starts with their first Dog has a moment when they have doubts. There was a point where I cried [I never cry] from frustration.

For the Howling what I would suggest is leave your house for 5 seconds walk back in give him a treat if he didn't howl. Do it over and over and over and over again by increasing the duration you leave and when you enter avoid the dog don't make a big deal of your return.

It might help.

 

[wyoung2153]

My my... I leave you guys for a day and miss PAGES of back and forth

Well Apexk9, I am with you... I remember a NUMBER of times when Titan was a pup.. gosh probably until he was about 1-2 years even that I cried in frustration with him at times. Frequently? No.. but every now and then when I was exhausted from a 16 hr shift and needed sleep but he needed attention.. oh yeah.

Funny to point out that I do not think the OP has returned. Hope they are at least lurking and taking some small things from this thread

 

[Ellimaybel]

I've been reading this for days, not getting involved in the discussion of original topic. But I am curious as to whether anyone else is wondering or thinking what I have been thinking....

So a new member comes on here and posts a major hot topic that is definitely going to get a lot of attention and heated debates, blood pressures risen, etc. But the first thing in this new members post states "Not looking for judgment or criticism". Is this really even a new member? Is this someone just coming on here to stir up emotions or possibly someone who's been banned coming in under a new identity to stir the pot? Just seems coincidental to me that they would post such a hot topic right off the bat knowing they are going to get negative replies and then disappear.

 

[Daisy&Lucky's Mom]

I am a baby.

All I knew is my momma and litter mates, and the lady with the food.

I was with my momma and littermates all the time. They were awesome companions, we played and played and then collapsed in a pile to sleep. We ate together and got drinks from momma. When something happened we were all together, and momma was there, like when we went to the big scary white place, and they had this bee that got me, but I didn't even flinch -- they said so.

And, sometimes momma barked and sometimes she got all excited. But with momma there, we weren't scared. We got excited because the lady with the food brought food and toys and stuff. The food came and everyone gathered around. There were toys and tails to chase and always a brother to wrestle with which is the funnest thing in the whole world.

Then one day other people came. They looked at us and picked me. They took me away from the play yard, and my nice warm sleeping place, where I piled up with my brothers and sisters. Momma was barking and my brothers were making noise, but I wasn't too scared because the lady with the food was walking with us. The new people got into the car with me. I wasn't too sure about this. I wimpered. But they were holding me, and it seemed ok. We were going for a ride in the car.

I don't know if I threw up on the way home. I don't remember much about it. I was worried about where my brothers and sisters were. I never went anywhere without them. It was a long ride. I think maybe I fell asleep.

But then, I came into this new place. I looked for my momma. I couldn't see her or hear her or even smell her. I was frightened. My brothers weren't here either. It was just me, and everything smells so funny. Everything sounds so strange. I wasn't hungry. The food seemed the same, I think. But, I dunno. It's different.

They put me in this box. It was small, and I felt safe in there, but I couldn't get out. And momma was gone. And my brothers and sisters are gone, and I am all alone. I have never been alone before. It's scary. It's lonely. Where is my mamma!!! Where is the lady with the food? Ok, you, new lady, I want to be with you so I am not all by myself.
Maybe if you are here, it is ok. It will be ok. Don't Go Away!!!

Every day, I forget a little about how it used to be. I do other stuff with the people that have me. I figured out stairs today. That was pretty cool. And when that scary thing in the room they called the bathroom made that noise, I thought it was going to bite the lady, but she seemed to be ok with it. I wasn't too sure. Maybe she has power. Maybe she can protect me from the scary thing.

And they put this rope thing on me, and tried to take me out. At first I thought I was going home. But we walked and walked. I was tired. But I kept walking. Finally, I sat down and wouldn't walk any more. She picked me up and carried me the rest of the way back to their house.

And I can't just pee anywhere. They scooped me up and took me outside. I think they want me to pee outside. Not sure, but I think so. It's strange. I never really thought much about peeing before.

Night is the worst. They shut all the doors and stuff, and I can't hear anything. I want to tell them to move this box thing to the bedroom so I can hear them sleeping. Then at least I wouldn't feel all alone. I cry because I am alone, and I miss sleeping with the others. I don't think I'm supposed to be all alone. I am trying to tell her that.

Great post Sue.wolfy dog I liked your post as well.

OP I have only had one puppy,Daist. She was our heart and sould. Loved herbeyond measure. However after two nights of no sleep we decided to take turns camping out. I knid of missed that neediness when she was going through adolescnce. It is alot. I cried more times from frustration and how did this get so screwed up raising Daisy as a puppy that you would have thought I was not very balanced. I think frustration is part of raising a dog. I know it is w/ kids. They are so many people on the forum with great experiences and answers that I hope you find what you need. Selzer is right the pup is a a baby. I personally found Daisy to be so cute and cuddly that I probably overindulged but other then the loss of sleeep it was such a short time and she was so sweet and needy. I get it can be overwhelming.Think about what you want and what the puppy needs ,what are you willing to do and what can you live with. Selzer and Wolfy Dogs posts reflect what puppy needs from an owner. good luck and thanks for asking for help . Not many people do.

 

[MamaofLEO]

Wow!!

I am a baby.

All I knew is my momma and litter mates, and the lady with the food.

I was with my momma and littermates all the time. They were awesome companions, we played and played and then collapsed in a pile to sleep. We ate together and got drinks from momma. When something happened we were all together, and momma was there, like when we went to the big scary white place, and they had this bee that got me, but I didn't even flinch -- they said so.

And, sometimes momma barked and sometimes she got all excited. But with momma there, we weren't scared. We got excited because the lady with the food brought food and toys and stuff. The food came and everyone gathered around. There were toys and tails to chase and always a brother to wrestle with which is the funnest thing in the whole world.

Then one day other people came. They looked at us and picked me. They took me away from the play yard, and my nice warm sleeping place, where I piled up with my brothers and sisters. Momma was barking and my brothers were making noise, but I wasn't too scared because the lady with the food was walking with us. The new people got into the car with me. I wasn't too sure about this. I wimpered. But they were holding me, and it seemed ok. We were going for a ride in the car.

I don't know if I threw up on the way home. I don't remember much about it. I was worried about where my brothers and sisters were. I never went anywhere without them. It was a long ride. I think maybe I fell asleep.

But then, I came into this new place. I looked for my momma. I couldn't see her or hear her or even smell her. I was frightened. My brothers weren't here either. It was just me, and everything smells so funny. Everything sounds so strange. I wasn't hungry. The food seemed the same, I think. But, I dunno. It's different.

They put me in this box. It was small, and I felt safe in there, but I couldn't get out. And momma was gone. And my brothers and sisters are gone, and I am all alone. I have never been alone before. It's scary. It's lonely. Where is my mamma!!! Where is the lady with the food? Ok, you, new lady, I want to be with you so I am not all by myself.
Maybe if you are here, it is ok. It will be ok. Don't Go Away!!!

Every day, I forget a little about how it used to be. I do other stuff with the people that have me. I figured out stairs today. That was pretty cool. And when that scary thing in the room they called the bathroom made that noise, I thought it was going to bite the lady, but she seemed to be ok with it. I wasn't too sure. Maybe she has power. Maybe she can protect me from the scary thing.

And they put this rope thing on me, and tried to take me out. At first I thought I was going home. But we walked and walked. I was tired. But I kept walking. Finally, I sat down and wouldn't walk any more. She picked me up and carried me the rest of the way back to their house.

And I can't just pee anywhere. They scooped me up and took me outside. I think they want me to pee outside. Not sure, but I think so. It's strange. I never really thought much about peeing before.

Night is the worst. They shut all the doors and stuff, and I can't hear anything. I want to tell them to move this box thing to the bedroom so I can hear them sleeping. Then at least I wouldn't feel all alone. I cry because I am alone, and I miss sleeping with the others. I don't think I'm supposed to be all alone. I am trying to tell her that.

This is powerful---and should be "stickied" to top of puppy thread! Thank you, Sue.

 

[Chip18]

I've been reading this for days, not getting involved in the discussion of original topic. But I am curious as to whether anyone else is wondering or thinking what I have been thinking....

So a new member comes on here and posts a major hot topic that is definitely going to get a lot of attention and heated debates, blood pressures risen, etc. But the first thing in this new members post states "Not looking for judgment or criticism". Is this really even a new member? Is this someone just coming on here to stir up emotions or possibly someone who's been banned coming in under a new identity to stir the pot? Just seems coincidental to me that they would post such a hot topic right off the bat knowing they are going to get negative replies and then disappear.

It could easily have been someone lurking for awhile.

I've seen a few threads started by active members and they've throw down the gauntlet from the first sentence! "No haters" as it were!

I thought it was kinda cool myself! So you never know??

 

[Drewbacca]

I think every GSD owner who starts with their first Dog has a moment when they have doubts. There was a point where I cried [I never cry] from frustration.

so true, i got extremely overwhelmed the first 2 nights and was in tears thinking i made a huge mistake getting a puppy, as i slept next to the crate so Roya would stop whining. it's definitely a culture shock getting any puppy, that i was not entirely prepared for, despite the extensive research and educating i did. i think that's where people fail the most. they have this life they're accustomed to, and struggle to let it go or put it on hiatus, and that realization freaks people out. it certainly did with me. but i persevered. i told myself "this is what i wanted", picked myself up and tried to raise the best **** dog i could.

i also had a pretty good support system at my parents house, that i could drop her off at so i could go to work on weekends

 

[wolfy dog]

Sometimes you have to step back and realize that it is awesome to finally have a GSD puppy.
It helped a client of mine who found himself half eaten by his landshark.

 

[CNSmith2006]

I agree with others; think of your GSP as a human baby.

He/she has been with numerous brothers and sisters and their parents. It takes some time to get used to sleeping alone. We got our GSP, Izzy, when she was roughly 6.5 weeks old. It took her about 7-8 days to get used to falling asleep alone and staying asleep alone. Her crate is in our living room, not our bedroom. I would suggest getting your puppy a buddy (a stuffed animal) and put on it a shirt you've worn so it will get the scent. Take the shirt off and give to the puppy. We also use an essential oil spray. I mix approx two ounces of water with about 10 drops of lavender essential oil. I spray that on her crate cover as I put her in there to go to bed for the night. The same spray can be used when the puppy gets irritated or feels stressed. I make sure to leave Izzy alone throughout the day....folding laundry, making breakfast, showering, etc. I give her a treat when she is good while I'm away, which is every time now!! Also, I'd suggest mentally stimulating the puppy with tricks. We started training Izzy a few days after we got her. She knows sit, down, shake, up, quiet, and to ring a bell when she has to potty.

 

[kshadow]

you are tired. I remember that time. It's not easy but it's worth it.
I would sleep on the couch and the dog in his cage. so I was close to the outdoors for pee breaks.
Look on the bright side. It's a good thing that he follows you everywhere, this way he isn't making a mess or getting himself in trouble.
These dogs are velcro dogs. They want to be with you. Throw treats in his crate and leave the door open. So he slowly learns that it's a fun place to be in.

Good luck!