The sire of my bitch. He's anything but small and easily capable of the speed and power behind him to take someone down.

 

I have never seen a Good Mal do something a good Shepherd couldn't do or vice versa. I'm met and trained a lot of really ****ty Mal's and a lot of really ****ty GSD's, generally for different reasons, but not cut out for what I like at all.

Generally if they are poor, the Mal's have poor nerves, but lots of drive which will still make them bite and if they have enough drive, which a lot do, their lack of nerve is made up in ample drive. I don't like those kind, I like more balance. For GSD's, generally they lack nerve and drive together, they're a bit more balanced that way

But the dogs at the top are all very good. Plenty of Mals that I'd love to have, lots of GSD's as well. There are a lot of combination of traits I think can make a fine working dog and overall the Mal's and GSD's I like tend to be similar.

 

Right great dogs for bite sports tend to be more similar to each other in nature than the general mal and general gsd are to each other. Great dogs are great dogs.

 

The image of a German Shepherd is often associated with K-9s, guide dogs, loyalty, protection, courage, and fierceness. These are dogs bred to protect and defend but over the years some breeders have turned certain German Shepherd bloodlines into pets. For those who are committed to the working heritage of these dogs, this is not a good development. A true German Shepherd can stop you in your tracks with just a stare. There is an intensity in their eyes and a focus that is there whether the dog is relaxing or alert. Most of all, a true German Shepherd is instinctive and intense when it comes to protecting their home and guardian. In my personal opinion, you know a real German Shepherd when you see one because a glance from one will intimidate even the most experienced GSD handler. When push comes to shove, the real German Shepherd will not hesitate to go into an attack stance and charge an intruder.

 

I just opened this thread, this was the first thing that I saw and you basically described many of the police dogs I have met!! I have never been more scared of a dog in my life!! I know this one in particular well now, and understand his behavior much more, but he is the kind of dog to control a situation with little effort- just presences alone.


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Rolling my eyes so hard right now

 

:crazy: Your avatar makes this even funnier.

 

 

LOL!!!!

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You got some rose coloured glasses on there..
Anyways for property guardian id pick Gsd, for personal protection or bite sports if you want the best of the best Id go Mal or Dutchy.

 

Thank for info

 

IMO the "popular" bite sports now days are geared towards the mal way of thinking. What's the saying? "Send a mal to bite a shadow on the wall and it will come back with a chunk of drywall in it's mouth. Send a GSD to bite the same shadow and it will come back with the person who created the shadow." The majority of mals I have worked or seen work in person have had environmental nerve issues. The ones I have worked that I have liked had some other issue(for me, maybe not others) with them. So for me, I find it easier to get a GSD with the temperament and drives I want that it is for me to find a mal that can meat those same requirements.

As for the comments about "generalizations being made". Well of course there are generalizations being made haha. We are talking about two breeds as a whole. Not lines or specific dogs.

 

The problem is what someone else said before. Nervy mal still has enough drive to bite cause they love to bite. Doesn't mean its a good dog for it or wont be quirky as ****. There are a lot of decent mals out there but not so many great ones.

Socialization and environmental confidence building for them tends to be even more of a touchy important thing with mals even more so than your typical gsd imo. Its why id be looking towards breeders like ivan and michael, granted a lot of their litters are whelped away from their actual influence.

 

Socialization and environmental confidence building for them tends to be even more of a touchy important thing with mals even more so than your typical gsd imo.

I agree with this 100%. That's why I said the popular bite sports today are geared more towards mals. That's why they have bottles that make noise, make them jump through stuff and all the other gadgets they use. I'm not knocking any of this BTW. I have a blast playing in all the bite sports I can.

As for enough drive to work through the nerve. The same could be said for GSD's. Well some anyway. I know a few GSD's that have some nerve issue's but on the field you would never know it.

It seems a lot are getting offended in this thread. Really like everything else it comes down to personal preference. For me, I feel a GSD fits me and my household a lot better. As someone else said, I have yet to see a mal do something a good GSD couldn't. Now I am venturing out this year into some uncharted territory for me so only time will tell if I still think this next year.

 

I prefer GSD's just because I think they are prettier...with that said my brother is highway patrol he is not a dog handler but is good friends with one. Most Departments and the Air Force base by me have gone to Mals. One reason is their intensity. They also use imported dogs almost 100percent because the dogs bred here are just not tough enough. There are still tough dogs on both sides but popularity has made it harder to find the working dogs that are tough enough to work. As a GSD lover and pet owner I do not need that level of intensity but I still want a dog that has good nerves. From what my bother has said and the mals I have seen...they were big enough for me. I would NOT challenge one coming at me!!!!! Mals are a more compact muscle type dog too. There is more punch to that package than you think.

 

Malinois are a breed few people know about. Great for police and military work, some sports and their story ends. The German Shepherd is known by all around the world because of their unbelievable versatility. It is no secret that the American GSD has been ruined by the show ring yet the Czech, DDR, and German (working lines) German Shepherd dogs have remained true GSD.

German shepherds are much more intelligent and easier to train, the GSD is ranked 3rd smartest, the Mal 22. The truth is that they both are excellent dogs but GSD are eager to please their owner while Mals are eager to please themselves. You can keep your “Dragster”race dog Malinois and I’ll keep my 4×4 SUV German shepherd, I'll take me more places in life. Don't confuse trainability with intelligence~

 

lol did you just use some online poll about dog rankings to boost your argument? if gsds are "MUCH more intelligent and easier to train" than why do police/military prefer mals? maybe you should show them the rankings and set them straight? if "smartest" is what you're going for, why dont just get the #1 on the list?

 

Mals mature faster so they can get longer working life out of them and mals are cheaper. With any type of government, the contracts go to the lowest bidder. Also look closer to the current trends. All the PD's I know are heading back to mostly GSD's. I know my local PD had some bad incidents with mals/dutchies do to some of the issues I've mentioned earlier in this thread.

 

i think most pd incidents are due to crap training and not crappy dogs.

seal team 6 uses the best gear available and they brought a mal on the osama bin laden mission so the mal wins

 

Yeah.... I... oh never mind.

 

The smaller Mals do have some advantages searching in tighter places. I've also seen the smaller framed Mals pull off some crazy parkour moves that a heavier/bigger GSD would have no chance with. That's not to say a small GSD could not do these things, it's just finding a wee Mal is easier than it is with a GSD.

 

This is an old post from a police forum I had read, just wondering what those familiar with mals think of his description in this post? Here's a link to the thread as well. Belgian Malinois vs german shepherd...




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I once experienced what I think is a good contrast of the breeds. One training day we had the agitator standing behind a chainlink fence with an open gate a few feet away. The fense was inside a building (Picture our usual wharehouse training locations) and it had a 6" pole on one side with about a 3" gap betweeen the pole and a wall. The dogs came from the pole side so the 3" gap is what they saw first. I agitated for most of it and we ran I think about 8 dogs through it. Half and half GSD and BM.

Every BM saw me through the 3" gap and shot straight at me. The pole stoppped forward progress and the BM started barking and crying. No matter what I did I could not get the BM off the gap and over to the open gate. I even walked to the open gate and waved at the dog. I had to finally walk out of the gate to get the dog to stop trying to force through the gap.

Every shephard looked at me saw the gap, looked around for the open gate, ran through the gate and made a chew toy out of me.

I think a lot of people think the BM bites harder but in my experience (4 years of agitating never a handler) the BM hits harder in a muzzle but the actual bite was a mixed bag, some GSD bit just as hard or harder, no real pattern either way. I think a BM is prbable liklier to stay on the bite while a GSD is likelier to corn cob or look for a bettter body part, which can lead to multiple bites.
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GM, you have just set the bar that much higher for the rest of us in our witty, sarcastic responses. I yield to you! Good job, kind Sir!

"I have loved justice and hated iniquity, therefore I die in exile."

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Meh. I know a few mals stupid enough to do that kind of thing, but I know just as many who would either find the gate or go straight over the top of the fence.

 

Art posted this in the wrong thread so I'm sharing it here

 

Nice!

 

I train with one that would jump the fence..lol.

 

I'm not really a fan of Malis, if I was going to pick a Belgian dog it'd probably be a Laekenois or maybe a Terv.

 

Just an awesome tribute. Love the GSD in the first clip.

Has some Mals/Dutchies in it.

The first clip of the Mal wasn't even behaving too well, he couldn't even bite down right.

 

My two cents... Get off youtube and go watch and train with some real dogs.. Its not black or white there is plenty of garbage and bs in both breeds. They are different dogs and have different strengths. Not sure what this thread is supposed to achieve.