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Lies, do you have links to videos of Pan in action?
Pan's flyball videos - YouTube

Also Debbie's Halo is doing flyball and I believe she's a medium/correct sized female,if I recall she's under or near 60lbs. Falon's Kastle is doing flyball and he's still under 60lbs I think (he's a year old next month). Nikon does flyball too but he's not as fast as Pan or Kastle (he started around 5.2 and now is getting closer to 4.5 but is never going to be a 4.0 or sub-4 dog like Pan).
 
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Yep, Halo is right around 60 pounds, and most of that is hair! :wild:
 
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My breeder actually bred two dogs on the small size and out came Baby Huey (for those who remember the comics)

Actually at 9 mos Beau is not THAT big - 70lbs but I imagine he will wind up 80-85 since he is already 24 inches at the shoulder

Grim is 70-75 and that is a nice working size for me-he is 23 inches at the shoulder.
 
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Ruger is 11.5 months old and is on the smaller size. He is 24 inches and 62lbs. I know he is just a pup and has more growing to do but I expect him to always be on the smaller size. Both of his parents were dutch imports with KNVP dogs on top and bottom of his pedigree. I am not sure if that is really connected to his small size or not but it satisfies the bigger is better crowd who always comment on his size.
 
My breeder actually bred two dogs on the small size and out came Baby Huey (for those who remember the comics)

Actually at 9 mos Beau is not THAT big - 70lbs but I imagine he will wind up 80-85 since he is already 24 inches at the shoulder

Grim is 70-75 and that is a nice working size for me-he is 23 inches at the shoulder.

23 would be a little under the AKC standard for a male GSD (24-26").
 
don't tell anybody i said this but i think you have
a big as in big dog. :shocked:

And the AKC standard in the US doesn't specify a weight just a height range (about the same as the SV 24-26" males and 22-24' for females.

that sounds like a good weight for that size.

>>>>> My 4yo male is just about 27" (little over size) and about 87 lbs depending on when he has eaten!<<<<

>>>>> he certainly seems to be medium sized to me.<<<<<
 
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don't tell anybody i said this but i think you have
a big as in big dog. :shocked:

Depends on what one considers a BIG dog.

27" is a tad oversize according to the AKC standard but is not a big dog as dogs go. Mastiff, Great Dane, LeonBerger, etc. are what I would consider big dogs.

Plus, if I can pick him up, I don't consider him a big dog.
 
Masi has flunked her size standard, had her in the other day for her annual, she's 26" at the shoulders and lean 80lbs...The only other female I had was 26" and around 70lbs. Masi is longer in body I would say.

My males were 26" and around 80lbs except for the "mutant" who was 32" and 125lbs.

Oh well, love them anyway, they weren't picked for their 'size', just ended up being what they are:)
 
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I've seen a fair amount of the upper/over-standard dogs and yes, they can move if well-built but a smaller dog seems to fly.
For me this is ideal - a dog that does not have the appearance of being small or fine, but appears well-boned and masculine yet is not large or heavy.
Exactly! As I see it, being a medium sized dog is an asset for a versatile and multi-purpose working dog like the GSD, which, in contrast with a bigger dog, would mean more speed, agility, endurance and, in the long run, less stress for the body (specially the joints).
 
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Okay, first of all thanks for all the answers so far and to come. Now, for what I’m seeing, the medium sized GSD still exist but is not your average GSD as it should be, it’s more like the oddity.
 
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Depends on what one considers a BIG dog.

Mastiff, Great Dane, LeonBerger, etc. are what I would consider big dogs.
But medium size is subjective, really. If you are accustomed to collie/shepherd sized dogs, and not a stranger to St. Bernards, Great Danes, and Mastiffs, the properly-sized GSD look kind of small in comparison. If your used to Yorkies and Chis, well then a properly-sized GSD looks huge, large breed for sure.
For a better reference of what I mean, a good example of a medium sized breed would be the Siberian Husky, while the Alaskan Malamute is a large breed. The St. Bernard, English Mastiff and the like are well above in the giant (extra-large) breeds.
 
Most of my girls are 24 inches or slightly over 24. A few are 23 inches. And Milla and a few of the others are around 60 pounds, where my heaviest girls are around 70 on fat days. So they are not gigundo dogs.

The funny thing is, I get people who say they are really large, and other people who say they are really small.
 
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According to the vet visit this morning, Pan weighs 68lbs and Nikon weighs 71. I am 5'7". They don't seem oddly small or short to me!

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My first female GSD was big--24" and 78 pounds. My next girl was Nike -- 22" and 55 pounds.

Now I have 5 females under 65 pounds for normal weight--Jubilee (22.5) and Xita (22.5 ish) are around 59 pounds; Hunter is 65 (23"), Oda is 65 pounds, probably 23".

Young Nemi is going to be the big girl--she's 65 pounds at 8 months--but she doesn't look it. I think she's just very heavy boned.

As long as the dogs are within the standard and have good bone strength, I'm happy with the small size--tremendous agility, easier time handling the heat, and easier to have in the house. But I still love the looks of a large (but within standard!) male.
 
My first female GSD was big--24" and 78 pounds. My next girl was Nike -- 22" and 55 pounds.

Now I have 5 females under 65 pounds for normal weight--Jubilee (22.5) and Xita (22.5 ish) are around 59 pounds; Hunter is 65 (23"), Oda is 65 pounds, probably 23".

Young Nemi is going to be the big girl--she's 65 pounds at 8 months--but she doesn't look it. I think she's just very heavy boned.

As long as the dogs are within the standard and have good bone strength, I'm happy with the small size--tremendous agility, easier time handling the heat, and easier to have in the house. But I still love the looks of a large (but within standard!) male.
Both of your first ones were within the AKC standard (22-24") for females.
 
Both of your first ones were within the AKC standard (22-24") for females.
Yes, indeed. In fact, both of them were koerclassed (breed surveyed) and bred.

But my point was that they can be *big* or *small* while within the standard. Frost was a seriously solid chunk of a dog and was at the top of the standard, while Nike was at the very bottom of the standard.

Nike was athletic as all get out--her first time on a dog walk in agility training, she was doing 360s on the 12" board trying to figure out which direction I wanted her to go. And she flew in bitework and over the 1 meter wall....

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In my opinion My male Bruno is of a medium structure and weight he is 17 months. He weighs 75 pounds and Stands 65.5 cm, and to me especially next to his father He would be considered medium. Next to brunos Uncle whjo is 30 in 125 pounds his father is small .Bruno still has to fill out but his father is 105 and I dont expect my boy to reach near that. My female is 62 cm she is 70 pounds but she is to me somewhat masculine
 

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