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Flyball Malinois- miniature?

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I think the "breed test" for malinois should be ringsport or KNPV. I do not think breeders should breed malinois for flyball or agility only. If an owner feels like doing just flyball with their dog, fine. But that should not be the point of a breeding program- for malinois, anyway.

That "you want a high drive puppy" video could be replaced by this: Abby fetch 11 weeks - YouTube.
Just wanted to say I LOVE your Abby - what a great little girl!
 
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Chicago Canine- I actually did look up the breed you mentioned, but it pretty much just looked like a GSD to me. :shrug:
 
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Here are the pics I took of Scrabble at flyball, we were just doing passing recalls with him:

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He is FAST!!!! With his ears tucked back, his martingale collar almost slipped right off his head. :wild:
 
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I can say Im one of the lucky ones that has a GSD in a malinois body. My girl will be 2 in March and she's about 58lbs and pretty short; I actually started posting here concerned that I had an abnormally small dog LOL

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Next to a Schraderhaus male her same age

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Small enough to get on the counter and hang out comfortably.

Her brother is about 80lbs. Weird stuff, genetics. I've seen most mal's about her size (the 55-65lb mark). She's a high drive dog so I always joke that my breeder found a mal that threw bicolors and sent her to me instead of a normal GSD :)
 
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Late jumping in here but I thought I'd post a bit on the size thing with Mals and Belgians in general. All of the Belgian breeds (or varieties, depending on where you are) have the same ideal height: 22"-24" for the girls, 24"-26" for the boys. There is some leeway, sometimes quite a bit of leeway on that depending on the organization. Like any other breed, dogs who are above or below that height happen and exist in all lines. I took in an Oops litter of Groenendaels from a friend a few years ago and they are all small. The males who remained local to me are 20"-21" at the shoulder and right around 40lbs. Undersized no matter what standard you look at but definitely purebred Groenendaels from fairly common lines. Most of my Groenendaels have been at the smaller end of the standard my 24.5" male who's around 53lbs and a couple 22" bitches around 40-43lbs. They are just as correct per the standard as 26" males or 24" bitches though. They aren't selectively bred for smaller size or anything, it just happens to be the size they are. My Mal is from a combination of FCI and KNPV lines. The KNPV lines can be quite large but he's going to end up being on the smaller side I think. Probably mature to about 55lbs.

I think there is a lot of misconception with Mals and the show vs. working line dogs. One is that show line Mals are all huge and hairy and that is the "type" that wins in the AKC ring. There is as much size and coat variation in show line Mals as there are in working or sport bred Mals but some working bred Mals are way bigger than any show bred Mal (mostly the Mals that aren't really purebred Mals). I think this misconception comes from people seeing most dogs from one show kennel that are heavily campaigned. In my area, you can finish a Mal as long as the dog is decently put together, has no disqualifying or serious faults and looks enough like a Mal. People finish working line dogs in AKC. Show line dogs can be competitive driven performance dogs and some people do bite sports with them as well. There is not same degree of differences in show vs. working with Mals as there is with working bred and AKC show GSDs. Maybe more like the difference between German working and German show lines, although show Mals have much more variance in type than German showlines. It's fairly common in the culture of the AKC Belgian crowd to promote the breed's versatility and for people involved to want to see CHs with other titles, not just entry level titles either. We have CH/MACHs, CH/OTCHs, dogs winning BOB the Nationals who are titled in advanced levels of performance or herding or obedience. A lot of people involved in breeding AKC Belgians of all varieties do stuff with their dogs beyond conformation. It is just a totally different scene from the AKC GSD scene.

As for settling in the house, most Mals I know (working or show lines) are good house dogs. I think people often tend to exaggerate their difficulty when talking about them on the internet for whatever reason. They are high energy dogs and do thrive in homes that keep them mentally and physically engaged but they aren't really supposed to be hyper dogs either. Some Mals certainly can be difficult to live with for a wide range of reasons, like some GSDs can be. And I think to people who aren't suited for them, they will seem really difficult just like any breed with a mismatched owner. My PyrShep Savvy is almost 2 and Roust (Mal) is 10 months. Roust is already a far better house dog than Savvy LOL I will trust him loose in the house for shoter periods of time, he isn't destructive and he's overall a really good boy in the house. Savvy tries to be a good boy but it's just so hard to be still and not think about the gazillion other things you could be doing at any given moment. PyrSheps are hyper though, that's part of their charm :)

I really like Ivan Balabanov's Malinois FAQ:

The Malinois FAQ Belgian Malinois Frequently Asked Questions

Oh and that Scrabble dog looks like he could be a relative of Roust! He's a sport mix?
 
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Oh and that Scrabble dog looks like he could be a relative of Roust! He's a sport mix?
Yes:
Scrabble's mom is Gooey, who is a Border Collie/Border Terrier/Malinois mix, and his dad is Fusel, a Malinois who was used in the Military Working Dog Program at Lackland AFB. Fusel belongs to her boyfriend Andrew Ramsey, who was our nosework trainer, and he's also sired some LDS litters.
Here's Fusel's pedigree: Culprit | Malinois du Ciel Rouge
 
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We just got a mini sized mal in our club - he was returned to the breeder due to unforeseen circumstances, and our co-director, who knows the breeder and had always wanted to own a mal one day, decided to take him. Rush is a cousin of Loki in our club, (pictured in an earlier post above), from the same breeder. Rush is 19" and 34 pounds, and his dam and Loki's dam are half sisters. Apparently, both parents are a more typical malinois size (she said what they weighed, but I don't recall), and one of his female littermates is quite a bit bigger than he is, at 24" tall.

This is his litter: Red Litter
 
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Cute little pups!