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#1 ·
I’m not sure if this counts as aggression but boy am I getting frustrated. My 8 month old Carmen was socialized to the best of our ability when we got her but it was mainly outside the home (shopping trips, beach, etc). She goes to daycare and boarding so she knows how to interact with and take directions from new people. We don’t live near much family or close friends so we rarely have visitors to the house. We’ve had one overnight visitor (a male) who she barked at every time he entered a room. He also is not a dog person so it was extremely uncomfortable.
Now this week my parents have been here for 4 nights. Given our last experience, I was more prepared with a plan. They are both pretty alpha, used to big dogs and not afraid of her, which helps. Anyway, we’ve done all the recommended protocol for dealing with strangers. We’ve walked her as a group, with my dad holding the leash. They both gave her chicken to sit. She even rested by my mom yesterday and allowed her to pet her for a bit.
Even with all of this, you can tell she is just dying to bark whenever they enter a room. Oddly enough it’s now mostly directed at my mom. Yesterday she greeted her 3 separate time in an over excited manner, with a bark and almost a jumping head Butt?? Is this a sign of aggression, fear, or “oh hey how ya doing??”
She is ecollar trained so she understands that mode of correction. I put her on place frequently while they’re here, which is her place to settle and relax. At first I didn’t correct her for barking, because I could understand she was on edge and potentially afraid, so I simply make her look at me and use a “done” command. After a few days, now I’m less willing to accept that she’s fearful and I feel she’s testing me and my authority. So I have been correcting her right away. She understands done, quiet and no. I’m a bit discouraged because we’re doing all the right things and she listens to me for most everything else but she is just DYING to bark and low growl at them. But weirdly enough she will solicit pets and attention at different times. My parents are both strong personalities so if she can’t get comfortable with them, it makes me really disappointed to think I can’t have other friends and family over who won’t be as patient or fearless as them. Any ideas?
 
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This is from a wannabee dog psychologist, but I have had success using training treats with any low growler, even if they are not food motivated. (let's cover the jumping face-butt in a sec, as I don't think that's related unless your dog was growling AND jumping at the same time; then that's a case of dangerous dog). Low growlers and sneak snappers can be spoken too softly down at their level (low growlers stay low) and tossing treaties in front of their front paws. Avoid getting your hands/fingers anywhere near a mouth :) Have whoever is seen as a threat, repeat and rinse as much as he/she can stand. This may take some time (over weeks, in some cases, in moments with others), and u should try it with many different family members and guests. My theory is that if Dog thinks everyone is treat-bearing (in a casual environment), then everyone is OK, even if the menu is crap to Dog. Dogs who are not (outwardly) food-motivated understand food offerings as something positive in the long term. So the point of this exercise is simple: confuse Dog Mind into defaulting into Good Dog mode instead of Bad Dog mode whenever another human is encountered. Of course, there are lots of ways to skin a cat, but this is one that works here, and one AS SEEN ON TV (with Cesar Milan).

On head butting/jumping for those dogs excited (or just curious) to see someone new, I'll let the real experts handle that... My St. Bernard does this with my Brother-in-Law, and only him, but that's got to do with their relationship. They are both big and wrestle all the time. Pisses me off, but whatcha gunna do?
 
#4 ·
How do you handle the barking when you don't want the world to be able to feed your dog? I am going to try to address 'excessive' barking with the quiet or enough command. So far this is not an issue with Ilita, but I think it a good command anyway.

Re your St. Bernard jumping on your BIL..."Pisses me off, what whatcha gunna do?" Tell your BIL to stop engaging him. Just sayin'.
 
#6 ·
Body posture tells you a LOT about the mind set of the action and/or vocalization. Our girl also has several tones ranging from high and playful to deep "Big Dog Voice" for unknown, possibly dangerous situations. No, she hasn't actually seen a true dangerous situation, but she is prepared!
 
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#9 ·
It really does sound like excitement/anxiety.My boy is the same when we occasionally have visitors. What I do is send him to another room where he can observe behind a baby gate while the guests settle in and the initial excitement dissipates. I release him and remind the guests to ignore him - no reaching toward him, staring, etc.Often he will begin to solicit attention on his own at some point - bringing a toy to interact with someone or sitting close by for an ear scratch.
Keep in mind that GSDS are not bred to be everyone's best friend. It's the breed standard to be aloof and suspicious of anyone outside of the immediate family.If you can relax yourself and not stress over it your dog won't either. He'll work out what he needs to do to feel comfortable when guests are present.
 
#11 ·
It really does sound like excitement/anxiety.My boy is the same when we occasionally have visitors. What I do is send him to another room where he can observe behind a baby gate while the guests settle in and the initial excitement dissipates. I release him and remind the guests to ignore him - no reaching toward him, staring, etc.Often he will begin to solicit attention on his own at some point - bringing a toy to interact with someone or sitting close by for an ear scratch.
Keep in mind that GSDS are not bred to be everyone's best friend. It's the breed standard to be aloof and suspicious of anyone outside of the immediate family.If you can relax yourself and not stress over it your dog won't either. He'll work out what he needs to do to feel comfortable when guests are present.
Yeah it makes sense. I was hoping she would pick up on the fact that they’re clearly family but it’s still not 100% smooth. Although this morning she obeyed my dads place command so I guess that’s good progress after being here 5 days.
 
#10 ·
He sounds like Apex at that age. Apex was demanding attention. Anytime we let someone into the home he became very social and pushy. Would demand bark and jump etc

He likes people especially people who come into our home. Not a real aloof dog when it comes to people 🙄

Impulse control was my key. Trying to get people to follow my direction wasn't really helpful. Treats nope weren't motivation enough. He still struggles with Impulse control but it got better with maturity.

Place and a lot of place. Long places lots of testing. I will do things that trigger him to break place and work through it. Knock on the door, open doors, have the kids run in the house whatever I can think of.

If your place is solid your doing great.

I may keep him in place one hour or two hours or he may not get to meet the person at all be in place the whole time. I want to see that he is completely calm and comfortable before I release him from place. It's a much easier energy to work with then excitement.

I also taught him to direct energy to a toy. So when I break him from place he will grab a toy do some victory runs burns a little excitement and brings the toy with him to meet said persons or now days he may just plop in the floor and be less social.

Your dog I would guess is still figuring how to deal with people. He is probably better off being calm in place and watching versus interacting for now. This may help the dog to become more aloof and less reactive to guest.

Once released from place you could have everyone ignore the dog keeping the energy level low.

It all sounds so easy but was really difficult to accomplish at that age for me.

Hope this helps.
 
#12 ·
He sounds like Apex at that age. Apex was demanding attention. Anytime we let someone into the home he became very social and pushy. Would demand bark and jump etc

He likes people especially people who come into our home. Not a real aloof dog when it comes to people 🙄

Impulse control was my key. Trying to get people to follow my direction wasn't really helpful. Treats nope weren't motivation enough. He still struggles with Impulse control but it got better with maturity.

Place and a lot of place. Long places lots of testing. I will do things that trigger him to break place and work through it. Knock on the door, open doors, have the kids run in the house whatever I can think of.

If your place is solid your doing great.

I may keep him in place one hour or two hours or he may not get to meet the person at all be in place the whole time. I want to see that he is completely calm and comfortable before I release him from place. It's a much easier energy to work with then excitement.

I also taught him to direct energy to a toy. So when I break him from place he will grab a toy do some victory runs burns a little excitement and brings the toy with him to meet said persons or now days he may just plop in the floor and be less social.

Your dog I would guess is still figuring how to deal with people. He is probably better off being calm in place and watching versus interacting for now. This may help the dog to become more aloof and less reactive to guest.

Once released from place you could have everyone ignore the dog keeping the energy level low.

It all sounds so easy but was really difficult to accomplish at that age for me.

Hope this helps.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I suspect it’s a combo of fear but also excitement barking. Even when she used to bark and pull toward strangers on walks (when she was younger) she would be soliciting pets and attention. So maybe it’s the same thing but she’s not expressing it correctly. She does seem very alert and “at attention” the whole time they’re here… which is silly because I am very relaxed.
So probably a combo of excitement and anxiety, also unsure of herself given adolescence. I will keep putting her in place and keeping her there. This morning my dad sent her to place verbally (no ecollar use) and she went, so that was a positive step.
 
#14 ·
You can call it excitement but to me it's like testing the waters what she can get away with. In these cases I only have to ask myself, "What would Rusty do?" He was my best teacher in behavior and maintaining harmony a group of dogs
Is Rusty a trainer or a dog? I agree and I don’t let her get away with anything. I am definitely “mean mom” in that she came to us stubborn and strong even from day 1. At 12 weeks old she was already starting to counter surf (was very tall). In this instance when you say to correct so she doesn’t push the limits, is it just a NO with the ecollar shock?
 
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Rusty was my all-time teacher dog. He was a Whippet, strong racer, male, stable, intense and fair. No dog ever really challenged him and he never picked a fight. He ruled with his looks and posture and was respected until the end of his 14 years. I miss that dog every day
 
#15 ·
One more opinion from me.Constantly stimming your dog to keep him in "place" doesn't seem condusive to reducing excitement and anxiety. Expecting visitors to give my dogs commands and punishing him for noncompliance? Just no.I'm bowing out now:)
 
#16 ·
One more opinion from me.Constantly stimming your dog to keep him in "place" doesn't seem condusive to reducing excitement and anxiety. Expecting visitors to give my dogs commands and punishing him for noncompliance? Just no.I'm bowing out now:)
Just so you know she is not “constantly stimmed” to stay on place. She knows her place without the collar. She was trained to stay on place with treats. But the collar is used for acts of flat out refusal or defiance. Also never did I say she is punished for not obeying stranger commands. The example of my dad sending to place was completely verbal and really just a way to see if she’d take direction. I’m simply trying new things in the moment to try and encourage my dog to behave a bit better around strangers. Like I said, she’s not punished for anything to do with them. She’s punished for not obeying my commands, whether or not strangers are present.