how do i teach my dog to attack on command, if ever needed? thanks
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how do i teach my dog to attack on command, if ever needed? thanks
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That is rather involved. It would take a responsible,competent trainer to first evaluate the dog's temperament to find if the dog was suitable for that kind of training, then a permanent commitment on your part to maintenance train as well as the realization on your part that you would have a dog that could be a liability if he was truly trained as a PPD. Very few people have the need for this kind of dog
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That is rather involved. It would take a responsible,competent trainer to first evaluate the dog's temperament to find if the dog was suitable for that kind of training, then a permanent commitment on your part to maintenance train as well as the realization on your part that you would have a dog that could be a liability if he was truly trained as a PPD. Very few people have the need for this kind of dog
Steve,
While I don't completely disagree with you, avoiding someone who trains in SchH, while looking for a Protection dog, simply b/c SchH is a sport isn't smart. Most PPD 'trainers', especially those that cast dispersions upon SchH, are typically people who couldn't or never have trained a dog in SchH. Like you said, it depends largely on what a individual dog is capable of, and it depends on the person's training style and expectations. The VAST majority of Police & Military dogs working today are from SchH, KNPV & French Ring backgrounds, all of which are sports. The amount of pressure put on the dog is entirely dependent on an individual handler and helper. The TD of our SchH club trains police dogs, his SchH1, StP3 Giant Schnauzer, would seriously injure someone in a Police or Personal Protection situation. He has imported, trained & placed with Dept's some real brutes, all have a sport background or come from breeding of sport dogs. The bottom line is, long-time SchH people often have a very good perspective on which dog's have real protection caspability vs. one's that a pure sport.
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Agree 100% with John. Especially the statement of "those that cast dispersions upon SchH, are typically people who couldn't or never have trained a dog in SchH."
I would add, in addition to being ignorant of "sport" training, a large number of those people also use that attitude as a means to make themselves look tougher, more manly, more serious about protection, etc... Typical tear others down in order to build themselves up because they can't stand on their own qualifications type behavior.
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I would add, in addition to being ignorant of "sport" training, a large number of those people also use that attitude as a means to make themselves look tougher, more manly, more serious about protection, etc... Typical tear others down in order to build themselves up because they can't stand on their own qualifications type behavior.
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i just say this because if you want a PPD u can cast out the tracking part of schH. PP trainers do put a lot of pressure of the dogs, more than schH, so haveing a dog with SOLID nerves is a must. im not dissing schH by no means, there is just a bit of a difference when it comes to the protection as far as pressure. your right about a schH dog haveing real protection capabilities and like i said before, a schH dog can be a great PPD.
so back to the OP's question, he was pretty much asking a question about haveing an attack command. the easiest way to build the dog for protection would be protection training. SchH would be a little more than what he may want but not a bad idea to have to dog do, as far as SchH and PP training, i think it would depend on what the OP wanted for his dog.
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The VAST majority of Police & Military dogs working today are from SchH, KNPV & French Ring backgrounds, all of which are sports. The amount of pressure put on the dog is entirely dependent on an individual handler and helper
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A lot of what we use are titled sport dogs which IF the dog is solid,makes a good background, however, sport is sport and it is an arbritrary routine and a good trainer can title a weak dog. This is why we perform VERY thorough evaluations on titled dogs. Many aspects of police work that sport does not address.
A titled sport dog is not by any stretch of the imagination street worthy until a LOT more training has gone into him. Sport is a nice background if,as I say, if the dog is solid
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A lot of what we use are titled sport dogs which IF the dog is solid,makes a good background, however, sport is sport and it is an arbritrary routine and a good trainer can title a weak dog. This is why we perform VERY thorough evaluations on titled dogs. Many aspects of police work that sport does not address.
A titled sport dog is not by any stretch of the imagination street worthy until a LOT more training has gone into him. Sport is a nice background if,as I say, if the dog is solid
Renee,
I agree eith you 100%. The reason I wrote what I did was b/c Steve's post made it sound like the sport arena has little hope of producing protection dogs. For real world work, it's much more about the individual dog, than it is the papers or a sport background.
I agree eith you 100%. The reason I wrote what I did was b/c Steve's post made it sound like the sport arena has little hope of producing protection dogs. For real world work, it's much more about the individual dog, than it is the papers or a sport background.
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I'm new to the boards here as well, but it would seem to me that an untrained dog would be more of a liability than a properly trained one. Especially when we are talking about working breeds such as GSD's, Rott's, etc..
It has already been pointed out that our dogs will bite if they feel indangered or in the act of protecting there territory/pack. A properly trained protection dog should not ever attack unless commanded to do so...right? Part of the training involves developing control and not reverting back to instictual reactions..
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Rick
It has already been pointed out that our dogs will bite if they feel indangered or in the act of protecting there territory/pack. A properly trained protection dog should not ever attack unless commanded to do so...right? Part of the training involves developing control and not reverting back to instictual reactions..
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Yes, dogs should have obedience. However, NO dog is going to fully engage a human being without being trained. Your dog may well bite depeneding on temperament,but not literally engage a human unless the dog is nuts. Most folks DO NOT need a dog honestly trained in personal protection. Folks do not maintenance train their dog and then they really have a liability.
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True. But at the same time, that bullet doesn't have a mind of it's own and thus isn't going to be making any mistakes in judgment and deploy itself in the wrong situation. A dog can. Even with a 100% vigilant owner and excellent training, no animal is completely predictable.
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well, i was threatened at the park one day. i had only had kenya for 2 weeks and she barked, growled and totally surprised me.and that was enough to scare him off. in most cases, thats all it takes. i honestly believe that if someone came into my house and tried to hurt me, most GSDs wouldnt need any training, they love us enough to do SOMETHING when we are being hurt. its natural to be protective of us
on the other hand, i am working VERY hard to teach kenya that it IS NOT her job to protect me from everything. if someone was to break in, and god forbid have a gun or a knife, i wouldnt want kenya getting in the way/getting hurt.
on the other hand, i am working VERY hard to teach kenya that it IS NOT her job to protect me from everything. if someone was to break in, and god forbid have a gun or a knife, i wouldnt want kenya getting in the way/getting hurt.
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The very PRESENCE of a GSD is an incredible deterrant. And, it isn't the size of the GSD, but it's attitude, that makes him or her scary. Examples from this board are Renji (tough-looking but not tall), Onyx (very dark, stocky dog with sizable bone), and Brady (a blanket blk/tan with a very solid, square build). Dogs like this give pause to anybody wanting to do you harm. Remember it is confidance and attitude, not gender or size. (my own male is huge, but gives off a goofy puppy vibe still-- wouldn't deter a soul)
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More than a few people have said 'If I touch those kids, that dog would take my arm off wouldn't she?' about my Morgan. It's definitely how she carries herself and the look in her eyes. She's willowy but not tall, has a pretty face and is typical b/t.
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Originally Posted By: ladylaw203Never trained my last one in protection of any kind but intruders were greeted with a dog growling at their crotch. He only did it 3 times that I know of and the third time the guy tried to swing at him, which was really stupid when there is an 80lb dog with his teeth bared at your crotch. The man paid the price for his stupidity as Casey had a very strong bite and naturally knew how to hold it.R.Cook said:Yes, we have moved from that neighborhood to a much nicer locale.![Image]()
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We always talk about a friend of ours who is a police officer in the area. The scenario goes something like this:
If someone is stupid enough to break into this house...
1st: There is a decal on the window for the USMC and NRA
2nd: The house has an alarm system
3rd: If they get through the alarm system into the garage, they see a police cruiser
4th: If they're still stupid enough, they are met by Ruger, the German Shepherd
5th: If they get through Ruger, they are greeted by Tim, 240 lbs of muscle and an arsenal of firearms
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HAHA wish this was my house!
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the only problem i have is when i tell my dogs to speak "at someone" they look at me and sit down expecting a treat! haha so i have to figure a way to make them back at who i say
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I agree 100%!
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Ms K on this forum shared some German words with us a while back. I use one of those words when I want Hondo to pay attention (I do not want him to bark, I want him to look alert). When I say that word, he'll stop what ever he is doing and look around, very alert, very scary looking.
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