Originally Posted By: SunCzarinaFollow the link to her picture. She goes well with her saggy roofed garage.

Gosh I'll make sure I never post a picture of my face here

 

Originally Posted By: BrightelfHoping she gets some mental health support and intervention.

Patti, I love the fact that I can always count on you to be empathetic.

Hording is a mental health disorder and this woman is obviously quite sick. The fact that she used a tazer on a State Trooper is also a sign of that.

I'm very glad the Trooper is ok.

 

Hey all -

There could very possibly be more to this story than what is seen in the news reports (as is the case in most stories). This woman appears to be fairly intelligent and writes an interesting blog.

http://www.californiachronicle.com/authors/view/1941

Puts a different spin on things. I did notice that PeTA was the complaining party and that always makes me wonder what is really going on - I have very little faith in their honesty or ethics.

At one time I had horses, dogs, cats, rabbits, sheep and a crow. When the rabbits had babies there could easily be 30 animals on the property. I wasn't a hoarder - it was just the way I lived. Having 40 animals doesn't make a person a hoarder per se .. so again, I would search out the entire story before you (generic you) completely condemn this woman.

And her looks have NOTHING to do with her barn or animals.

Melanie and the gang in Alaska

 

Originally Posted By: Angel RYeah
dont worry Im goin

Not to far I hope, us lowly uncrowned memebers need to stick together. Don't worry its easy to let some ppl keep you on edge so when someone is finally being nice its hard to recognize it. We are here to learn about GSD's and show off our fur babies, if ppl want to cause drama thats their initiative, my theory, ignore them, eventually they will find someone else to pick on

 

Originally Posted By: Sagelfnand i thought everyone was laughing at....

Quote: She goes well with her saggy roofed garage

cause I sure did

lol I thought the same thing, thats what I was laughing at!

 

I soo agree-if you have issues that are NOT dog related Dr Phil has a website!!this IS a board that should be dog related not human

 

Originally Posted By: crabby

Originally Posted By: Angel RHAHAHA
Brightelf - Just noticed....
aka "The Doofinator"


LMAO! Love it

Would you like to clarify this one also?

Crabby.........

 

she best not be making fun of Patti that is all I can say

doubleminttwin you don't make stupid comments, make fun of people and open your mouth with ignorant comments
you are ok in my book

 

I didn't take it as making fun of Patti. I took it as she got a kick out of Grimm being called "The Doofinator"

 

Yeah, thats what I ment. Im not maing fun of anyone.

 

Originally Posted By: Jax08I didn't take it as making fun of Patti. I took it as she got a kick out of Grimm being called "The Doofinator"

Me too

 

Very interesting blog she writes though. It does not sound like some out of her mind hoarder.

If it did go down as she said in When vultures Rule -- One. It does explain why she was willing to taser the guy to keep him away. I have never been in a position where the state misused their power and stole my animals. Had I been, I am not sure how I would defend them the next time.

It sounds like the first incident, they wanted to maintain their constitutional rights so the husband was handcuffed and put in a cruiser. But she allowed the inspection, was manhandled by a animal control officer or humane society agent, and pressured to give information on other breeders. They left without citing them, but then weeks later, without due process, they came killed one of her horses and took all the animals from her place.

That seemed to have begun this saga. If this was my experience with the law and with these organizations, I do not know what my response would be when they came knocking again.

There seems to be a lot of space between this event and the orignial event and I do not have time to read it all. If she was tried and convicted.... But then, if they took the animals without due process, she would not be able to provide evidence that the animals were well cared for.

I have heard of stuff like this happening. All of my critters are my friends, my babies so to speak. If someone were to come to your door and rip your children away from you, what do you do? I love my animals in a similar manner that people with children love them. It is not the same, but it is the same. It is an emotionally charged situation.

We all want to believe this cannot happen in Amercia. When we see Animal cops, some people sign the animals right over. Others hesitate, but eventually sign them over. I cannot imagine signing my animals over. It is kind of like a witch hunt. They will tie you up and throw you into the river, if you sink and drown, well shucks you were not a witch. If you do not, then they pull you out an burn you. Interesting. So if you do not sign them over, they threaten and bambard you, and charge you with animal cruelty, etc, and try to get court orders to sieze the animals or they just sieze the animals. If you do sign them over, then you are guilty. Lots of people fear the legal system, police, courts, lawyers. They know they will lose their jobs, and could not afford to pay a lawyer to protect them. Most have heard horror stories about public defenders. I wonder if more people than should are losing their animals to PETA and such organizations.

 

Quote:there could easily be 30 animals on the property. I wasn't a hoarder - it was just the way I lived. Having 40 animals doesn't make a person a hoarder per se ..

Same with us...We have countless animals if we include the snakes we breed. That certainly does not make us hoarders. We take very good care of them and model the enclosures based on what their needs are in the wild.

It's not a question of numbers...It's how the animals are obtained and provided for without being overwhelmed. It's really frustrating too because judges don't like to convict these people for what they believe is a mental illness, and prohibited or not, the hoarders go right back to where they left off and do it all over again now affecting twice the number of animals. There's just not enough manpower to properly supervise them. *sigh* I give soooooo much credit to the rescue people because I know myself well enough to know that I wouldn't be able to control myself. That is the ONE thing I get scary angry about, anyone who abuses creatures smaller and/or weaker than them. The pure anger just takes over and I seriously cannot control it.

-Jackie

 

You can read about her 2004,2005, 2007 seizure,conviction,appeal and confirmation here:

http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/3356/ME/US/

The case she was writing about in her diatribe was in 1994. she was convicted again in 2004. She was forbidden from ever owning an animal.

I highly doubt animal control is just harassing her.

I am intimately familiar with hoarders. They are often well spoken and intelligent people. They have a mental illness that prevents them from seeing the overwhelming nature of the conditions and also prevents them from seeing the terrible condition of the animals.

When I went in to a hoarders home during a seizure and we found 30 dogs starving, and one in the basement dead, with others attempting to eat from him, we took pictures. We showed the pictures to the woman and asked her through her protests of LOVE! how could she go from love to THIS. She denied that there was anything wrong with the dog. She was saving all of them.

Normal people capable of caring for a reasonable number of animals just cannot comprehend how bad it can get. It is beyond our comprehension.

 

Quote: We showed the pictures to the woman and asked her through her protests of LOVE! how could she go from love to THIS. She denied that there was anything wrong with the dog.

Not antagonizing, just curious. What do you think the response would be if they were physically shown the dead animals? They can't really deny that they're dead?

-Jackie

 

Originally Posted By: Ghostwolf

Quote: We showed the pictures to the woman and asked her through her protests of LOVE! how could she go from love to THIS. She denied that there was anything wrong with the dog.

Not antagonizing, just curious. What do you think the response would be if they were physically shown the dead animals? They can't really deny that they're dead?

-Jackie

My guess is she would have said she was saving it but it died anyway. It's odd, because on one hand, you think "She didn't know what she was doing was wrong (because of the mental illness), but at the same time, she put towels along the bottom of the doors, in the vents and over the windows of the garage where she was keeping 15 shelties stacked in rabbit sized hutches so no one could hear them bark. So that implies intent or knowledge of wrongdoing.

When the seizure happened she downed a bottle of pills (turned out to be vitamins) faked a heart attack, ambulances called the whole nine yards. Then she and her lawyer faced us in court and the lawyers whole case was built on "Who decides what's acceptable care? They boil lobsters alive and no one complains about that." (I left the courtroom to go scream in the bathroom at that one.)

I guess my point is, to the hoarder, they are good and doing the right thing and those coming in are terrible abusers who are stealing their animals. All too common in these cases.

 

Originally Posted By: crabby

Originally Posted By: Angel Rlmao

975,000 volts to the face. funny?

Well with the constant barrage of stories about police tasering seemingly anyone that looks at them sideways, I can see where a story of a cop getting it would make some chuckle.

Sounds like a hand held stun gun though, not a taser.

 

I mean...its not funny...... but I can count like 6 times where people have died because of a tazer.
Cops taze kids, old women and people who dont deserve it.
So um.
They shouldnt use those guns like a toy anymore.....

 

Very true.

 

Originally Posted By: selzerIf it did go down as she said in When vultures Rule -- One. It does explain why she was willing to taser the guy to keep him away. I have never been in a position where the state misused their power and stole my animals. Had I been, I am not sure how I would defend them the next time.

Funny that there was only ONE trooper and he was there only because he was following up on an arrest warrant that was issued for unpaid fines and fees in connection with the animal cruelty conviction in 2005. He was NOT there to arrest her on hoarding animals, though she WAS banned from owning any kind of animals after her previous conviction. Besides making the mistake of not accompanying her into her house b/c that is standard protocol, he was NICE enough to hold the door for her because he thought she was having some difficulty.

In NO WAY is she justified in tasering the trooper.

 

Originally Posted By: DnP

Funny that there was only ONE trooper and he was there only because he was following up on an arrest warrant that was issued for unpaid fines and fees in connection with the animal cruelty conviction in 2005. He was NOT there to arrest her on hoarding animals, though she WAS banned from owning any kind of animals after her previous conviction. Besides making the mistake of not accompanying her into her house b/c that is standard protocol, he was NICE enough to hold the door for her because he thought she was having some difficulty.

In NO WAY is she justified in tasering the trooper.

I think she might just be a whack job.

 

I think so too....unfortunately, she was an underestimated whack job.

 

If you read the link in what she claims happened to start this whole business, then maybe she was justified.

If a police officer pushed into your home and raped you, the next officer who tried to do the exact same thing, would the victim be justified in tasering the second one? I think so. It would depend on how many times the cops are called to deal with you, but if that is your only experience and here it is happening again, well....

Also we think, "This is America, this cannot happen hear" but IF the humane society, dog warden, and police were taking dogs from breeders and selling them for a profit, should not these people be in danger of something???

There have been cases where cops have come into compounds and on property, dispatched the dogs, and arrested or killed people, and then it was all a big mistake.

 

Originally Posted By: selzerIf you read the link in what she claims happened to start this whole business, then maybe she was justified.

If a police officer pushed into your home and raped you, the next officer who tried to do the exact same thing, would the victim be justified in tasering the second one? I think so. It would depend on how many times the cops are called to deal with you, but if that is your only experience and here it is happening again, well....

In no where did it ever say that she was raped. She is claiming to have been assaulted. I've read some of her other "articles" and to be honest, she's got issues. This incident occurred 1. in the daylight, 2. with ONE officer, 3. who was trying to be as cordial as possible by holding the storm door b/c he thought she was having difficulty. I could make the wild claim that she purposefully went into the house with the intent on getting the taser/stun gun for the sole purpose to do harm to the officer. I won't b/c no one knows when she got it or why.

 

Would you rather be raped or have someone steal your dog and murder your horse? It does say she was pushed, but I think that it is possible, if it is extreme enough that it could be justified to fight back.