That's intriguing to me. The old style male looks like what I see in ASL these days.

 

That's intriguing to me. The old style male looks like what I see in ASL these days.

I agree.

 

The dog on the right looks fat and his muzzle looks short. Was the pic skewed in some way?


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Not to my knowledge.

 

I've never made it a secret that I don't like extremes, and the show lines have been heading that direction. I liked the look of the dogs back in the 1960's-70's before the big "split" happened between working and show lines.

 

I completely agree, I like the early-mid 70s dogs.

 

Ok, sorry. Here's a better picture of what I think looks attractive.

 

Again, short muzzle and fat. For my taste.


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I would bet money the photograph on the right is "photoshopped". I don't know if that makes it better or worse, lol!

 

Lol, your probably right. I hope it makes it look worse.

 

This is one reason why I went with the breeder I did... She mostly breeds SL's but they are not the big blocky Akita head dogs.

Not the best stack but he has a similar shape to the first dog and he's half WGSL.


Self stack by Carriesue82, on Flickr

 

Awesome! If you don't mind me asking, who was the breeder? Feel free to PM me about it if your uncomfortable posting to the public.

 

Agreed that the showline on the right in the first post doesn't look that impressive (although that's entirely subjective. Can't really say that one dog is better than the other when looks comes into play, because everyone has their own ideal). Not all showlines look like the one posted. On a related note, when I compare Liesje's Nikon to Dingo, I don't feel as though present day show lines are that bad. Again though, all of this is opinion, it's all pretty moot.

 

Yes, I am a lover of Showlines and completely agree with what you are saying.

 

a modern day GSL.

According to who?

 

In general.

 

Ahhh I don't like the look of those hips! Looks prime for vet bills in the future. But then again I know nothing about show dogs and have ever only owned mutts.


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The slope(exaggerated by the stack btw) has NOTHING to do with hip dysplasia.

 

I'm new to the site, and waiting to pick up my pup on November first.. Researching a lot and I know they tend to have hip issues... Is there a way to tell when they are 8 weeks old, or is it just a hit and miss type of deal.. And is it fixable or will it cause the doh to need to be out down later in life before its there time... Is there a gender that tends to have it more commonly than the other? Thanks

-Josh

 

There isn't a way to tell when they're that young, but you can stack the odds in your favor by buying from a reputable breeder. If your dog does develop HD then there's an expensive surgery to fix it. I don't think it matters on gender, but one of the more experienced members here could tell you for sure. Hope this helps.

 

Ok thanks, ill keep checking for others inputs, now I'm researching about the AKC registration and stuff... But I don't wanna change the thread topic so ill search first and then start a new thread if needed.. Thanks

 

Here's what your average ASL looks like without being stacked.

 

I thought the same my self.

 

some GSD's have a "roach".

QUOTE=lalachka;4210858]I never knew that. I thought that's where the problems stemmed from. Oops


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Then I'm honestly not sure, I can guess that it probably came about when GSDs were very popular and some people were breeding for quantity there for a little while in the 1900's. Don't take my word for it though.

 

Speaking of angulation in ASLs, I actually admire this dogs structure. TIDMORES RISING STAR LOGAN

 

Carmen, can you separate your question from the posts you quote? I know you are asking HeidiGSD, but very hard to see what your question is the way you post.

If you want to quote a text, you can hit the "quote" button in the lower right-hand side of a post, and it will come up with in a window with the "" code wrapped around the text.

They you can add your comments or questions underneath. Something like this:

This is what it will look like when you pick a post and hit "quote":

Speaking of angulation in ASLs, I actually admire this dogs structure. TIDMORES RISING STAR LOGAN[ /QUOTE]

But this is what it looks like when the above is submited:


They you can type your question underneath like this:
Why?

And it is easier to follow for everyone.


You can also manually wrap the quote code around text that you copied from a post to have it come up in a quote box.

For example, start and end of quote had code (no spaces - spaces added just to illustrate the code, otherwise the software hides it) [ quote ][ /quote ] with your text in between the quote codes. You can type this in manually and it will work.

 

Do you think she is dysplastic?

 

No, I admire a good ASL.

 

Ok, I shouldn't say most. What I meant is that there are more show breeders than working breeders who don't care about health. But there still arent alot, I'm sorry that came across wrong.

 

Dingo v h Gero was chosen as an illustration of balance in motion

I don't agree with this at all !! "That's intriguing to me. The old style male looks like what I see in ASL these days."
Show me.

 

I don't agree with this at all !! "That's intriguing to me. The old style male looks like what I see in ASL these days."
Show me.

Change the second male's stack a bit and they'd be quite similar.

 

this one - lacking sufficient angulation "
Speaking of angulation in ASLs, I actually admire this dogs structure. TIDMORES RISING STAR LOGAN

 

I know he isn't perfect to the standard, I just like how he's built. It's just an opinion.

 

This is one of the top ranked bitches in the AKC (or at least she was 6 months ago). So apparently this is where ASL are heading, and im just going to leave it at that....

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Probably a good idea, I know that there are some great ASLs out there, but...

 

I'm sorry. I think it's disgusting to see a dog's entire hock resting on the ground. (Previously posted pic).

 

I don't know the dog posted and am not defending her, but a lot of that has to do with how the dog is stacked. You can get some extreme stacks out of moderate dogs just by getting them low on the close foot, or hiking up their neck to force them off balance for the picture. There are still ASL folks who are going for the specialty style, and the dog might just be stacked to push that 'look' for the photo. I have pictures of one of my bitches where she looks like a specialty dog and others where she doesn't look angulated at all. Highly variable.

 

Seriously, if you guys are going to talk about showline dogs then you really need to get a handle on the concept of stacking. I can stack Sage in various ways and get a whole lot of different looks. Same dog. Just good and bad stacks. And when she is NOT stacked, she looks different too. And, the "disgusting" remarks have to go.

Here is an unattractive stack with Sage on her hock. The judge and the photographer were in a hurry. It was a LONG day, and they wanted to get these dogs photographed and get out of there:

Here is Sage stacked, hock sorta down:

Here is Sage, looking very lovely, not down on her hock at all:

And here is Sage, just standing around being Sage:

SAME DOG.

 

Again my personal problem is not with her stack. Her rear end angulation isnt bad imo. What I feel is bad is her very pronounced roman nose, thin weak looking neck, top line looks off no true start to the withers, looks low in her pasterns

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Honestly her hock is the least of my concerns..... BUT I'm trying not to bash just pointing out a top pointed dog at the moment

I have worked on several ASL that actually have calluses on their hocks from walking on them. I do think weak hocks/rear ends are being bred into SOME of these dogs while trying to achieve a more pronounced look

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I don't think Diane needs you feeling sorry for her girl. Unbelievable.

I think she is beautiful. Thank you for your valid point regarding stacking. I followed your other thread & you have worked darn hard with her