[jrod]

Rboggia, first I would like to welcome you to the boards here. Please excuse my fellow board members for their passion.

Please do not take me as being rude or mean I do not want to come across in that way.

You have to understand you came to a site dedicated to the German Shepherd breed. 99% of these folks do not take breeding lightly and if you do decide to breed it needs to be for a good reason. Breed enthusiasts such as us feel there are only a few reasons to breed your GSDs and you will get questions such as "how are you trying to better the breed?"

Folks bring up a valid point that there are way too many unwanted "pets" in shelters just waiting for death. If you reason for breeding your dogs was to "better the breed" or because your dogs are such a wonderful representation of the breed standard (having titles) that breeding them would be beneficial to the breed, you may have gotten better responses.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it appears you are breeding just for pets. Are your dogs OFA hip/elbow certified? Do they have any titles? What are their pedigree?

Breeding for the sake of "achieving the circle of life" is unacceptable to folks who devote themselves to the breed.

Regardless of why you bred the dogs as there is nothing that can be done now to stop it I agree with the majority in that please make sure there dogs are taken by responsible people and that you offer guarantees on the pups health. I also hope that if the situation comes up that one of the buyers/adopters can not keep the dog you are able to take that pup back.

Please do not let this thread push you away from this forum, there is so much great information here that will be very useful.

I wish you the best with the new puppies and wish them the best of health and happiness. They are cuties!

 

[WarrantsWifey]

Rboggia, first I would like to welcome you to the boards here. Please excuse my fellow board members for their passion.

Please do not take me as being rude or mean I do not want to come across in that way.

You have to understand you came to a site dedicated to the German Shepherd breed. 99% of these folks do not take breeding lightly and if you do decide to breed it needs to be for a good reason. Breed enthusiasts such as us feel there are only a few reasons to breed your GSDs and you will get questions such as "how are you trying to better the breed?"

Folks bring up a valid point that there are way too many unwanted "pets" in shelters just waiting for death. If you reason for breeding your dogs was to "better the breed" or because your dogs are such a wonderful representation of the breed standard (having titles) that breeding them would be beneficial to the breed, you may have gotten better responses.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it appears you are breeding just for pets. Are your dogs OFA hip/elbow certified? Do they have any titles? What are their pedigree?

Breeding for the sake of "achieving the circle of life" is unacceptable to most folks who devote themselves to the breed.

Regardless of why you bred the dogs as there is nothing that can be done now to stop it I agree with the majority in that please make sure there dogs are taken by responsible people and that you offer guarantees on the pups health. I also hope that if the situation comes up that one of the buyers/adopters can not keep the dog you are able to take that pup back.

Please do not let this thread push you away from this forum, there is so much great information here that will be very useful.

I wish you the best with the new puppies and wish them the best of health and happiness. They are cuties!

:thumbup:

 

[rboggia]

The puppies are really cute, regardless of the reason that they are here.

thank you!

 

[JakodaCD OA]

ok, this thread is going to go down the tubes real fast and will end up being deleted.

There is a way to offer suggestions/EDUCATE without putting the OP under the bus.

So my two cents, and I won't comment on the breeding, it's done, they are here.

I have had always had mutiple gsd's..At one point I had 4..Three males and a female. None of them have ever bonded to each other more than me. Sure they all got along great, but each one was more into 'me' than anything else, very flattering to be the center of a dogs world

I didn't really separate when I would bring in a new puppy, but I would do things ALONE with each dog, at different times. I dunno I guess I have just been lucky to have had the luxury of spending ALOT of time with a puppy when I bring it in, and with my dogs.

I now have 3, two aussies/1 gsd..In a way, I'm not like 3 as a number I tend to take the two girls with me alot, (male aussie is the husbands)..and do much more with them than the male. I haven't had 3 dogs in almost 15 years, the last year or so, with the three, is definately weird, but I'm not planning on adding another right away.

So with that said, I'd say don't keep a puppy, and work on your bond with the female. 3 may upset the apple cart even more..

Of course it's your decision..

Now, that I've answered the posters original question..I would EXPECT ALL posters to be courteous and if they can't, well maybe don't hit the keyboard

 

[LaRen616]

lol to each is own dude. I choose to breed my own so i could choose the PICK OF THE LITTER not some mut on death row

not gonna find picks of the litter down at the local shelter sorry bro some of us have standards! i want the best of the best not some mut who was beaten and poorly treated.

I see shepherds everyday and there UGLY AS **** my shepherds are beautiful if anything i brought good lines together and did nothing but further the evolution of my shepherds in the most positive manner possible.

"if i really loved shepherds" what a crock of ****... stop posting on my thread please your doing nothing but starting arguments.

I am sure you have byb dogs, sorry dude but that is poor quality.

There are alot of great GSD's in rescues and shelters.

I wish you didn't own the breed that I LOVE.

 

[WarrantsWifey]

OH yes, I agree, the pups are adorable! Keep us posted on pictures as they grow, because no matter how they came about, EVERYBODY here loves GSD puppy pictures!

 

[rboggia]

Now thats the type of response i was looking for. thank you very much

ok, this thread is going to go down the tubes real fast and will end up being deleted.

There is a way to offer suggestions/EDUCATE without putting the OP under the bus.

So my two cents, and I won't comment on the breeding, it's done, they are here.

I have had always had mutiple gsd's..At one point I had 4..Three males and a female. None of them have ever bonded to each other more than me. Sure they all got along great, but each one was more into 'me' than anything else, very flattering to be the center of a dogs world

I didn't really separate when I would bring in a new puppy, but I would do things ALONE with each dog, at different times. I dunno I guess I have just been lucky to have had the luxury of spending ALOT of time with a puppy when I bring it in, and with my dogs.

I now have 3, two aussies/1 gsd..In a way, I'm not like 3 as a number I tend to take the two girls with me alot, (male aussie is the husbands)..and do much more with them than the male. I haven't had 3 dogs in almost 15 years, the last year or so, with the three, is definately weird, but I'm not planning on adding another right away.

So with that said, I'd say don't keep a puppy, and work on your bond with the female. 3 may upset the apple cart even more..

Of course it's your decision..

Now, that I've answered the posters original question..I would EXPECT ALL posters to be courteous and if they can't, well maybe don't hit the keyboard

 

[rboggia]

I am sure you have byb dogs, sorry dude but that is poor quality.

There are alot of great GSD's in rescues and shelters.

I wish you didn't own the breed that I LOVE.

lol go play with your cat bro

 

[JeanKBBMMMAAN]

IF you are going to keep a puppy, be sure to speuter SOMEONE (or 2) or you will have...very closely related puppies the next time around.

I had a rescue who was a Mother - Son mistake and she was the sweetest girl that I loved so much. She had some issues behaviorally, difficulty learning, and major issues in health. I can't help but think that it did not help that she was so inbred. She's the black dog in my avatar.

So that would be my biggest piece of advice if you decide to keep one. We just did the same with a litter we took from a family locally - they kept a male pup and he and mom were speutered just in time - she had gone into heat and he was very interested (6 months).

Second, in addition to the screening, etc, for your pups, please track to be sure that they are not bred as well. People are always shocked, but entirely litters with moms are dropped at shelters quite often. Now you may think your friends won't do it, but their friends' friends' friends...might - and the cycle starts with the first pups. So just keep that in mind - if you are selling the pups, save out an amount and refund when they spay/neuter, help them find spay/neuter clinics, etc.

 

[JeanKBBMMMAAN]

lol go play with your cat bro

No need for that.

When you post in an open forum, you are opening yourself up to the thoughts of others.

I could post that Chocolate cake is the best cake and I can guarantee you that there would be people who would very much disagree.

Now add to that that these are living creatures, you can see that the emotion can climb.

 

[WarrantsWifey]

IF you are going to keep a puppy, be sure to speuter SOMEONE (or 2) or you will have...very closely related puppies the next time around.

I had a rescue who was a Mother - Son mistake and she was the sweetest girl that I loved so much. She had some issues behaviorally, and major issues in health. I can't help but think that it did not help that she was so inbred. She's the black dog in my avatar.

So that would be my biggest piece of advice if you decide to keep one. We just did the same with a litter we took from a family locally - they kept a male pup and he and mom were speutered just in time - she had gone into heat and he was very interested (6 months).

Second, in addition to the screening, etc, for your pups, please track to be sure that they are not bred as well. People are always shocked, but entirely litters with moms are dropped at shelters quite often. Now you may think your friends won't do it, but their friends' friends' friends...might - and the cycle starts with the first pups. So just keep that in mind - if you are selling the pups, save out an amount and refund when they spay/neuter, help them find spay/neuter clinics, etc.

Wow, awesome advice, none of that even crossed my mind! I love the variety of advice and people we have here!!

 

[LaRen616]

lol go play with your cat bro

Whoa dude, you totally got me there.

Sorry Bro

:rolleyes2:

 

[selzer]

I currently have 8 german shepherds including the 6 puppies that are 25 days old.

My connection with my first dog I got Louis is just AMAZING he lives for me an me only! all his attention and focus is on me its just so beautiful seeing his loyalty shine such a wonderful characteristic of the shepherd. bare with me. So then i introduced another shepherd into the mix. I thought I could breed some pups and give Louis a friend to play with. Well needless to say thats what happened because Luna lives for Louis granted she loves me and is loyal to me listens to me but her attention is more on Louis while Louis is all about me. This make me feel in a way sad for the dog in the sense that its not getting to become that loyal and loving dog that lives just for you. Its like the dog is not living the life it was ment to live. Do you guys get what im saying? its almost not fair to Luna or Louis. Ok so then my girlfriend wants to keep the largest puppy out of the litter... which i also wanted to do... but then i thought about it some more and if i introduce another dog this third dog is def going to live for louis and luna and i dont feel that any of them will get the attention they deserve. Granted i own 65 acres work at home and they can run all day but i dunno i think 1 on 1 is how shepherds are born and bred to be anything more and your not getting the full potential out of your shepherd

what do you guys think... keep one of the pups for mom and pops to play with? or get rid of them all? Id love to have a pack of 3. got the room for it and i know they would do well in a pack... it just makes me sad to think that
they wont get very much 1 on 1 time seems like thats what they live for


uploaded some pics of the pups @ 25 days old

Please find good homes for all of the puppies and spay/neuter your bitch and dog.

I do not get what you are saying at all about a dog being "meant" to be all about their human. Dogs are pack animals, and they are generally very happy to please their human because the human is in charge of all the resources. Sometimes it isn't even that, some dogs really, truly, like a person. That is ok. But there is nothing wrong with a dog being a family dog, or a dog being one of a person's or family's dogs.

That being said, from the heart, I think that you will NOT do well with three or more dogs. Three dogs become a pack. And a pack has different dynamics than having one or even two dogs. Right now these are babies, and there is no problem with that. But once these babies start growing up, they are going to start vying for things, yes, even if you keep just one of them.

They will be competing for food, so you can manage that by feeding separately, or in their crates.

They will compete for toys -- no big issue there, you can usually manage that.

They will compete for chewies, and you might have to up your leadership skills or manage that with crate time for chewies.

They will compete for attention, attention from you, attention from the other dog, and this will bury you. From your initial post, you can't do it. You will not be able to turn your head away and ignore the dogs' attempts to get you to pet them. It will be hard for you to see one dog always shunted behind by the other when it wants to be petted too. And you will make life as a pack that much more unbearable by trying to make everything fair. You will try to make the dogs adopt a human sense of sharing and turn-taking, and it is going to be incredibly hard.

Puppies are adorable. I know that. I know that it is so easy to fall for them. I know that three does not seem to be that much more than two. But it is. Mathematics does not work here. 2+1 does not = 33% more food, training, socialization, vet bills, chaos. It means a whole lot more overall. and in less than two years' time, you will regret your decision, but you will love them all, and vow to keep them even if it is not in their or your best interests. So find good homes for all the puppies.

And if you are not going to go the whole nine yards for breeding, please do not breed again.

 

[webzpinner]

Wow... ummm.... this all is crazy... As for the major point of the post, I'd only do a max of 2 large dogs of ANY breed. My GSD is an eating machine, and good food ain't cheap! 3 that aren't trained to the max (as I'm taking your GSD #2 isn't since she is so focused on GSD #1) are just going to dumb each other down.

As for the puppies... If they all have homes, I don't mind. I'm not an anti-byb-nazi like many here. Reason is, 1)not many GSD's in shelters around my area, and 2) shelter dogs often have some mental issues due to being in the shelter, 3) shelter dogs here cost more than byb puppies, AND you can raise your puppy how YOU see fit, rather than trying to rehabilitate a lost cause.
That being said, I went with the Craigslist route, coz I got a great adult dog, that had some training, that didn't cost me a penny coz the rehoming owner was more concerned about finding the perfect owner rather than making a buck.

Anyway, do what you want, since this is the internet, and there aren't REAL people on the other side of the computer screen, so no REAL emotions are involved, so flame away at each other, since it's all just a mindless game, and has zero repercussions in the REAL world.

 

[Lilie]

Three dog pack fights can be very dangerous as well. It has been my experiance when two dogs get into a fight, the third will get involved as well.

 

[gsdraven]

Reason is, .... 2) shelter dogs often have some mental issues due to being in the shelter, 3) shelter dogs here cost more than byb puppies, AND you can raise your puppy how YOU see fit, rather than trying to rehabilitate a lost cause.

2) Not true. Some do, most don't. 3) Not true. Average adoption rate is under $300. Many shelters are under $100. Some BYB are now charging upwards of $1000 3b) If you get a puppy from a shelter or rescue, you can still raise them how you see fit.

This isn't the first time myself and other posters have had to correct myths you are spreading about shelter/rescue dogs. If you don't have experience with it personally then please don't post it.

That being said, I went with the Craigslist route, coz I got a great adult dog, that had some training, that didn't cost me a penny coz the rehoming owner was more concerned about finding the perfect owner rather than making a buck.

It's great that you found a good dog on Craigslist, would your dog be any less great if the owner had decided to drop him off at the shelter instead of rehoming on Craigslist? Because it's a real possibilty that his owner could have decided to do that instead of spending the time to find a good home - doesn't change the dog's temperament.

To add to my point, I evaluated an adult (3-4yr old) GSD this weekend that has been in the shelter for months and was neglected before that. He is drop dead gorgeous and sweet as can be despite all he has been through. Just after I said he wasn't very affectionate, he looked right up at me and gave me a bunch of kisses on my face.

Sorry to take the thread even more off track...

 

[kiya]

I have 3 dogs, male 8yrs, female 6yrs, female 15months. The youngest was from a litter like yours (no offense), would I recommend 3 dogs NO. My pup was free and I just couldn't say no. I was screened by the people, they came to my house even though I know 2 mutual people that they know, they also will take her back at any time or age. Do you do anything with your dogs other than let them run your property? Do you plan on working each dog separately? My pup bonded with my older dogs even though I took her to obedience class, socalized her at different events ect. I can't always take 3 dogs places so someone or two dogs get left home and it really makes me feel bad. I also now have to deal with everything times 3 and since the economy has been tuff, I often have to juggle things. I have been working each dog individually everyday and let me tell you sometimes it isn't easy.

 

[x0emiroxy0x]

Everyone here who has more than one dog, you are awesome, especially if they are all well trained.

I don't know how you do it! :shocked:

I spend every free moment training Rocky, I can't imagine another dog right now!

 

[webzpinner]

2) Not true. Some do, most don't. 3) Not true. Average adoption rate is under $300. Many shelters are under $100. Some BYB are now charging upwards of $1000 3b) If you get a puppy from a shelter or rescue, you can still raise them how you see fit.

This isn't the first time myself and other posters have had to correct myths you are spreading about shelter/rescue dogs. If you don't have experience with it personally then please don't post it.

Um... as I said on my post.... IN MY AREA. I researched QUITE thoroughly. I went to various kennels, rescue websites, and emailed rescue groups. Average BYB cost in my area is $250 to $350. Average breed rescue is $400 for puppies, $300 for adults, $100 for seniors (people, not dogs). You cannot find puppies at most of the local shelters, because the second puppies come in, the shelters call the breed rescues so they seize the puppies and sell them for $400. It's a racket. I tried for MONTHS to rescue a dog that was safe around kids, but all the city-run shelters kept pushing me to the breed rescues, coz they said their animals are too unstable to trust around kids. I decided to look on Craigslist, and lucked out.

So, I accept your apology in advance. It's ok.

 

[gsdraven]

I'm not an anti-byb-nazi like many here. Reason is, 1)not many GSD's in shelters around my area, and 2) shelter dogs often have some mental issues due to being in the shelter, 3) shelter dogs here cost more than byb puppies, AND you can raise your puppy how YOU see fit, rather than trying to rehabilitate a lost cause.

Um... as I said on my post.... IN MY AREA.

I'll refresh your memory, the only part of your post that specifically related to being in your area is that there aren't many GSDs in shelters around your area. The rest was very vague generalizations about dogs that are found in shelters and much of it simply isn't true.

I researched QUITE thoroughly. I went to various kennels, rescue websites, and emailed rescue groups. Average BYB cost in my area is $250 to $350. Average breed rescue is $400 for puppies, $300 for adults, $100 for seniors (people, not dogs). You cannot find puppies at most of the local shelters, because the second puppies come in, the shelters call the breed rescues so they seize the puppies and sell them for $400. It's a racket. I tried for MONTHS to rescue a dog that was safe around kids, but all the city-run shelters kept pushing me to the breed rescues, coz they said their animals are too unstable to trust around kids. I decided to look on Craigslist, and lucked out.

So, I accept your apology in advance. It's ok.

I'm sorry that you couldn't find a puppy in your local shelter and didn't want to work with a rescue but that in no way relates to all dogs in shelters having mental issues or needing rehabilitation. Luckily, there aren't many puppies dumped in my local shelters either but in certain areas of the country, there are litter upon litter being born in shelters.

Reputable rescues are not a racket and that $400 does not even begin to cover the cost of most dogs in rescue. I have yet to have a foster that we broke even on let alone made money. Let's also not forget the unadoptable dogs that every reputable rescue has.

I won't continue to discuss this in this thread... and I won't apologize for making sure that incorrect information is not spread.