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I understand that they are doing this to try and crack down on animal abuse but this is completely ridiculous, even more so proven with the $100,000 possible fine. Why not just give super harsh fines and sentences for people that are actually abusing animals or misusing prongs/choke collars? The direction that the US, Canada, and most of Europe's government is going with all these nanny laws really concerns me. If you keep taking away people's freedom of choice they will not be able to make educated choices for themselves anymore.
 
(sigh) every tool we use on a dog functions with aversion at some level. Flat collar, harnesses (which are originally make pulling easier), halters are all work by making it uncomfortable for the dog not to follow the human on the other end of the leash. I wonder how many of those folks who wrote this law even own a dog bigger than a cat.
 
all those people who invested so much time and energy in drafting and passing this by law should have looked to resolving some of the human issues first ---- people living rough , sleeping on ventilation shafts - some never to see the next sunrise. That is not humane .

wearing a collar is not an abuse nor inhumane.

Metro Toronto has a very fine police k9 unit .

are these dogs included ?
 
Halties and Gentle Leaders are the worst. Don't people in this city complain? Vote idiots out of office? Why are people sitting on their hands and taking it? Are dogs allowed off leash anywhere?

Be prepared, it's going to come here too. Then after that, any breed that can't be controlled in every situation without a metal training collar will be eliminated. Then all large dogs. Eventually, the only dogs people will be allowed to own will be tiny dogs.
 
Halties and Gentle Leaders are the worst. Don't people in this city complain? Vote idiots out of office? Why are people sitting on their hands and taking it? Are dogs allowed off leash anywhere?

Be prepared, it's going to come here too. Then after that, any breed that can't be controlled in every situation without a metal training collar will be eliminated. Then all large dogs. Eventually, the only dogs people will be allowed to own will be tiny dogs.
I don't think anyone knows. It was probably amended and voted on in council, and not discussed outside.

I'm wondering when the trainers and owners who use these tools will find out? When they get slapped with a fine? It's just not news--yet.
 

I don't think anyone knows. It was probably amended and voted on in council, and not discussed outside.

I'm wondering when the trainers and owners who use these tools will find out? When they get slapped with a fine? It's just not news--yet.
When they get a fine or someone else does. It should eventually hit the news.
 
This law is a little bit...ridiculous i mean is it me or a martingale collar does the same think as a choke chain? Chokes the dog right? What about slip leads? They function choking the dog as well are they banned?
Now K9 Units...I know in the UK they do not use such tools which I think they are doing a good job if they keep sending dogs out there and if they do not use such tools illegally I'm freaking amazed then.
Now... E-collars....I don't see any electronic collar on that ban... I really wonder now if people will purchase this e-collars and use them without know how to handle such tool....
Dogs who are waiting to be adopted and dogs who will be dumped cause people keeps getting the wrong trainers...no matter what tools they better keep focused or tons are going to pay bc of them.

Overall for me this law do not make sense the only part that makes sense is DO NOT TIE YOUR DOG with a freaking prong or choke chain but...c'mon is common sense right?
 
This law is a little bit...ridiculous i mean is it me or a martingale collar does the same think as a choke chain? Chokes the dog right? What about slip leads? They function choking the dog as well are they banned?
Now K9 Units...I know in the UK they do not use such tools which I think they are doing a good job if they keep sending dogs out there and if they do not use such tools illegally I'm freaking amazed then.
Now... E-collars....I don't see any electronic collar on that ban... I really wonder now if people will purchase this e-collars and use them without know how to handle such tool....
Dogs who are waiting to be adopted and dogs who will be dumped cause people keeps getting the wrong trainers...no matter what tools they better keep focused or tons are going to pay bc of them.

Overall for me this law do not make sense the only part that makes sense is DO NOT TIE YOUR DOG with a freaking prong or choke chain but...c'mon is common sense right?
Actually, no. A martingale is not a correction collar at all. I prefer the kind that has a little chain on it because the dog will hear the chain and correct their position.

The martingale works more like a prong collar -- same set up, minus the prongs. So when it tightens, it tightens around the neck, and not just a pressure point. It only tightens to a certain point and prevents the dog from slipping the collar, if the dog is backing up, afraid of something, whatever.

Any tool can be abused, ill fitted, etc. But the martingale is less likely to be abused by a heavy-handed trainer than a prong collar or choke chain.

A choke chain or slip lead, will continue to tighten until there is no more room whatsoever. If a dog gets stuck in one, the will turn around and around and shut off their windpipe and strangle to death. Some trainers used to hold a dog up, or tie a dog up with a choke until they were unconscious, this was choking out a dog. And yes, damage to windpipes was found in dogs using this type of collar.

Used correctly, one can train effectively with one. But half the owners and even groomers can't even put it on correctly -- yes, it makes a difference. On correctly the chain stays relaxed, and used correctly the chain is relaxed and tightened only momentarily, to provide communication to the dog, and immediately relaxed again. It is a training collar and only a training collar and should be removed from the dog when not training.

One can leave a martingale on a dog. Any collar can get stuck on something and cause injury and even death. A martingale is no more or less dangerous than a flat collar. Not true of the choke-chain.

Some call a martingale a "humane choke." I wish they wouldn't because it is completely false. Choking is never humane. It would be more correct to call it a humane prong, but that implies that prong collars are inhumane, and that it implies that the martingale is a training collar. It is not.

I use a flat collar for tags when we go out, and a martingale for the leash. If we aren't leaving the property, my dogs run naked. It is the most safe.
 
As a dog owner, competitor, club member, co-creator who resides in Ontario and visits Toronto often (sometimes weekly) I am shocked, disappointed and extremely angry.

I will be rallying with others to see this repealed.

All Canadians, friends at the border should be seeking out the petition (I will link it once I am at my computer) to sign, writing letters to our MPs and council, etc.

This is just another step in the wrong direction.... It's going to snowball....This is just the start of this propaganda.

Please take the time to help!
 
I've been reading more, does not appy to police, no other exemptions.

It pretty much was snuck through. Originally the ban was on using choke or prong on a tethered dog--I can't imagine disagreeing with that. Most of bylaw 102 2017 makes sense.

A group dog walk, anyone? I'm not sure if my guy is ready (shy) but I'm sure many are. It would risk fines, of course. What do the TO IPO folks think? They train mostly outside the city, (3 clubs near me) but there must be members who live in TO?
 
From friends in the immediate area or those like me who travel into the city for work most weeks means that we are risking a fine if we want to get together to train or those who need to use it in the city for extra control.

Frustrated, shocked are good words to use from the IPO community I have spoken too.
 
There is pretty much no difference in sensation to a prong (assuming you didn't sharpen the points and a martingale except the martingale isn't as good at even distribution of pressure all the way around the neck.)

They do not pinch and they do not poke. They call it a pinch collar because you pinch the links together to take it off and put it on. To get those prong points to piece skin you have to basically helicopter the dog or yank it so hard it knocks the dog off its feet even if you used the 2.23 mm small version with extra links. The law is senseless.

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This makes me very, very sad. Clearly someone with a lot of "feelings" and not a lot of critical thinking decided this would be a good move without considering those working with dogs that need such tools to be handled appropriately, and at times safely.
 
sigh, if they think that everything can be fixed by a well timed treat, they haven't really trained a dog. I'd have to never feed my dogs from a bowl and work for every bite they get during a walk for that to work. A tasty tidbit won't compete with wanting to go over to another dog or chase a squirrel, for instance. I'd have to watch my dog every second and as soon as that glance happens or that ear pricks we'd have to change course. I guess we would all have a better handle on our dogs or we'd be forced to leave them home when we go out. What a sad city to live in.
 
a dog that is trained won't need to have that pinch or slip collar on for corrections , or punishment which is probably the idea that was advanced .

what those collars provide is security , safety for the dog

the worst collars are those prong plastic buckles that if the dog pulls start to fatigue and eventually fail - and then you are left there with the leash and collar in your hand and the dog running across traffic

then there are people who don't know how to fit a flat collar . The collar is so large it is resting on the dogs shoulders - the dog can back out of them.

the harnesses are useless and ill fitting , interfering with freedom of movement in the front . Hobbled .
 
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