Just curious....who feeds grain free? Has anyone had any heart health issues? Are you switching foods due to recent issues? Supplementing Taurine?
I noticed EPI in your signature. That surely makes it tough. Have you been on the EPI4dogs website? They have such great info and help. My 2 yr old was tested for EPI last year due to weight loss, and months of diarrhea. Was negative but probably had SID. Thats when I switched to not only grain free but limited ingredient....sigh.I switched foods and it did not go well. Simon has 'special' problems with digestion. I'll say I nearly lost my mind when I read about the grain free problems. He cannot have corn, wheat or rice, that kind of fiber is his enemy, not to mention the major skin issues that erupt. So he is back on grain free. I did get a taurine supplement, but have been reading that the legumes in his food prevent absorption, B4 is needed for effectiveness. Green leafy vegetables contain B4, Brewers yeast is the best source, but he can't have that either, so I guess I am going to be offering a kale salad topped with taurine for lunch....ugh
I did get a taurine supplement, but have been reading that the legumes in his food prevent absorption,
Do you think it's okay, then, to skip the salad? I abhor the idea of a third meal with the additional stool, poking at it with a stick to make sure all is good. I have become obsessed with poop since he came along. I need professional help with this particular addiction....This is one of the hypotheses being evaluated. No one knows yet for sure why some dogs come up low on taurine and others don't on the same food. That's the real mystery.
There are other hypotheses that genetics, or multiple nutrients (including some not yet publicly named), or even an undiagnosed, underlying disease process could all be in play.
There's also a hypothesis that even if there's an absorption problem adding more taurine through a supplement makes it more likely some gets absorbed, so there's unlikely to be a downside to supplementing.
Yeah, it took me several years of off-and-on diarrhea to get the correct portion of porcine pancreas powder to get it right. The last about 5 years of his life, his poop "normalized." Around 2 he had reached 80 lbs and then dropped down to 55 lbs when he was diagnosed with EPI. Eventually I got him to a thin 98 lbs at his max. When he died of liver cancer he had dropped down to 80 lbs. That's another story.I may have read each and every thing on the EPI forum. It has really helped, but so much of it is trial and error. It took months to get this boy's stool solid, weight where it should be and get rid of that dang SIBO. Every little tweak has some sort of repercussion. I need to take stock in the hair dye industry, as I am going gray since he came to me.
Years? Good lord, he would have put me in my grave if I had to deal with it for years. Unfortunately, he cannot have pork (this is where I throw may hands up and ask him 'really?') So I use plant enzymes and so far so good.Yeah, it took me several years of off-and-on diarrhea to get the correct portion of porcine pancreas powder to get it right.
Cava is on Fromm, I started her out on a bag of the grain free LBP food since the breeder had her on a grain free food. I decided to rotate her between the grain in and grain free versions, so the next bag was grain in. I was planning to get grain free for the bag after that, but the store was out of stock and I had to buy the grain in food again. She's doing well on it and it's a bit less expensive, so I may just keep her on it until she's ready for adult food in a few months. I have started supplementing with taurine for both her and Keefer. He's on a grain free variety of Sport Dog Food that is also free of peas and white potatoes.I'm on the fence for my Fromm kibble fed dogs. They are doing SO well on it, I don't really want to change. We normally rotate through most of the Fromm Four Star flavors (with grain, without grain, since it's designed to be rotational). There were a few Fromm dogs that showed up on the spreadsheet eating some of their GRAIN-IN food, that has taurine added! It's a head scratcher. There weren't any that were rotationally fed. I'm thinking the rotation may be protective, due to the wider array of nutrients they're exposed to. We're unsure whether to keep rotating the grain-free Four Star varieties in our assortment. For now, I bought a grain-in bag for next time, and I may stick with the Fromm grain-in varieties for a while.
It was tough. There were many nights where I had to wake up 3-4 times to take him out....on top of the many times during the day. The good thing was he was able to tell me he had to go out really bad and hold it until then. In his whole life he only had 1 diarrhea accident in the house. What I learned years later from my own experimenting with the dosage was that I was giving way too much powder. The vet told me 1 teaspoon. Other people in the EPI forums were telling me to give a lot more, like a tablespoon. They couldn't believe I was giving so little. I finally after years found that half a teaspoon was adequate for my dog.Years? Good lord, he would have put me in my grave if I had to deal with it for years. Unfortunately, he cannot have pork (this is where I throw may hands up and ask him 'really?') So I use plant enzymes and so far so good.
I imagine cancers and the like are going to be a problem when he gets older. His genetic makeup is so skewed. I am so sorry about your boy. It seems especially hard to lose them when we invest so much time and concern in them.
I feed Taste of the Wild too. I have fed it for years. My current dogs are 6 and 4. My previous GSD also ate TOTW and lived to be 14.5. No heart problems here.I feed grain free but only because I switched to Taste of the Wild. Not necessarily was looking to find grain free, and my dog does well on both grain free and not. I just stay the **** away from corn soy and wheat cos it makes my dog's coat ugly and dull.
I feed Pacific Stream. All of my dogs have loved it. My previous shepherd was allergic to chicken. Fish based formulas worked best for her.It's good to see TOTW on somewhat of a comeback. For many years there, everyone was down on them. I may switch mine off of Victor back to TOTW Pacific Stream. My pup's got some kind of allergy. I'm hoping it's not food allergies, but if it is, then I'll go back to TOTW.