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I am so hoping those with experience in holistic therapies and methods can guide me or offer ideas for which to try for a really odd problem I've never seen in a dog before, certainly never to this degree. It seems to be a neuro issue, to be truthful-- the way the dog is wired. So, really want to find a therapy to ease this for him and us.

I am getting to the root of what is problematic with Grimm. He has a strange tendency (I have NEVER seen this before) to see something he wants to greet (usually a dog, sometimes a dearly loved guest), and he suddenly gets this extreme intensity that rapidly SKYROCKETS-- right through the roof. Not only I can I not really control him then, but he also cannot control himself. The skyrocketing intensity suddenly turns into an explosion-- where he bolts right towards the object of his greeting-desire. The tension just boils right over, and he detonates (bolts headlong towards the dog or person he wants to greet). He is otherwise a good boy, but becomes "easily aroused" to the extreme. It's as if he is FINE until he sees something he must have. (wants to greet) Then, the intensity suddenly is there and just skyrockets. (yes, done the training to re-focus him, left turns, sits, downs, etc.) The current running under the surface is too powerful.

Done the sit/wait/give focus/wait for release command for each meal, and in coming through all doorways, since he was 9 weeks old. It hasn't helped-- because even HE cannot truly control himself when the sudden intensity happens and shoots right through the roof.

This is something to do with the way Grimm is wired. This is a neuro issue. While he is very immature (to be expected with Czech lines) at his age, most young dogs do not have this bizarre, sudden intensity to get to who they want to greet and then explode to get there. This is WAY more than a simple impulse control issue or training/managment concern, since we've incorperated "wait training" into our daily lives since day one.

It is the <span style="color: #FF0000">tendency</span> for these "sudden intensity skyrocketing into explosions" to happen, that I need to find a way to address.

Chinese Traditional Medicine herbs to rebalance a system that is running on extreme high-speed? Homeopathy? bach flower too gentle? Ideas?

This isn't normal. This isn't just an active overgrown pup with poor impulse control.. there's an underlying current that only gets activated when he wants something. (usually, to greet a dog or person) yes, I am delighted he is friendly and not aggressive-- but this tendency to explode is extreme. He is just simply wired that way.

Ironicly he is otherwise a GSD who is calm in the house, settles immediately after entering the house, never destroyed anything as a puppy, never nipped, never chewed, never needed to learn bite inhibition.

Also ironicly, he is only a medium-energy GSD who is "done" after maybe 10 mins chasing thrown rubber balls. Low excersise needs compared to other GSDs I have had. He never paces in the house. He's a blob. If he is exhausted by too much excersise, it does NOT effect this tendency to have the sudden intensity/explosion when he sees another dog or beloved guest. He gets the extreme sudden intensity and detonates the same regardless of excersise.

Which therapies may be best for preventing him from getting so easily aroused! i want him to be at peace near things he wants, instead of at the mercy of skyrocketing arousal/intensity/explosions.
 

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Would Rescue Remedy work? I bought some for missy and obviously I don't need it

If you want I can smuggle it to you its for pets
 

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Thank you Dawn, I thought about that, too! Unfortunately I kinda think it would be like tossing a cup of water on a raging housefire, though.
The problem is way beyond extreme.

I think I need a longterm re-balancing thing, or a daily holistic medical management plan for this like daily Chinese herbs,
daily homeopathy, or something. This is an extreme weird wiring problem. he goes through the roof and explodes.

I am hoping all is okay with Missy Choco-Moo. I am following her thread, and sending you mondo good luck vibes for the vet's!!
 

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you give it daily!!
if you want it I'll send it to you
I hate to see it go to waste
you let me know

I think he will calm down in a year or so
he is still a pupper and loves everyone
 

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Patti...I am wondering, you got my wheels a turning. My son, Brayden is on the Austism Spectrum. Because of this he can become easily stimulated by certain things that go un noticed to us. Some things he is over-stimulated by and others he is under-stimulated. I wonder if some sort of therapy (sensory integration) might could help. I have no clue how you would find someone willing to try it on a dog, but maybe someone could offer you some suggestions.

Even though Grimmi seems to be wired this way, that doesn't mean he can't learn to keep it under control to an extent. Will it be a challange for him, yeppers. And it will take alot of time and consistancy, but I am confident he can learn to control this. And perhaps using some sort of homeopathic therapy to kind of tone him down while you work him in these situations can speed it up a bit.

Hopefully someone can offer you some advice, but I will keep this at the top of my thoughts.
 

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Hi Patti,

I'm no behavorist but, it seems like you need a very experienced behaviourist along with calming meds. Someone who also has a pack of balanced dogs that Grimm can intermix with. This is hoping that he will gradually learn to control himself and learn from other balanced dogs all while under meds to calm himself down. Then, the human aspect again with meds and training.

I've seen dogs that are genetically wired to extreme excitement and no workout, running, walks or excercise will help. The dog can be extremely tired yet, the neuro part of him will kick in and his andrenaline will push it over the top and he becomes arouse in a fraction of a second.

The hardest part I would guess is finding the right behavorist with a pack of dogs. Someone like Ceser Millan (althought I don't all agree with him sometimes), but a similar short term work is needed in this case I assume. Good luck and keep us posted.

Dan
 

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Is Grimmie's diet high in carbohydrates?
 

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Dawn, thank you! I may take you up on the offer anyway when I get back.
I am so sorry that it didn't seem to help Missy Moo as much as you'd hoped. Unfortunately, this is way more than "excited teenager dog." It's sudden extreme intensity that rapidly builds until he explodes. Never seen this before even in young dogs. VERY weird.

GSDLove212, thank you for thinking about this and keeping it in your thoughts! I am truly baffled, because I have never seen anything like this before. But autism spectrum disorders come to mind too here. My sister's son has sensory intergration disorder, and she brushes him with a plastic brush, It makes s difference! WQith Grimm, this is extreme, bizzarre, and something oddly neuro. I am hoping something out there might help!

Dan, thank you for posting! Yes, Grimm needs work, for sure, and a behaviorist would be ideal. But, this also is something physical-- is how he is wired. It is truly extreme, and ironicly, he is not a high drive dog, either. I am hoping to get a behaviorist-- but need to find one who can offer me more than I am doing now myself (the sit and wait and give focus before eating, before released to come through doorways, etcv etc.. we're already doing that and have been since 9 weeks.. hasn't made a dent)

This sure is strange. I've never seen anything like this before.
 

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Joanne, he is raw fed, so very little. But you are right, carbs can make things worse. Right now, he is eating some carbs in homecooked chix and rice, and yes it is maybe a bit worse, but overall, this seems to be something other than carbs, as it happens even on his usual raw.


Dan, he actually just got back from a send-away with extensive follow-up with me for a Cesar Millan-type training where he was turned out with a pack for 10 hours a day. It helped. But the underlying hidden current was still there, waiting to eriupt into the intensity when he saw a trigger. So, very frustrating that this happens.. we both feel overwhelmed when it happens, both Grimm and I. Am hoping for a therapy to help, since we will look for a training club and behaviorist-- although most trainers probably have in fact not seen this. This is (otherwise) not a hyper dog. Very odd.
 

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Its clearly not a training issue and trainers like Milan can do more harm then good.

If you find an EXPERIENCED classical homeopath (shouldn't be hard to find in Germany) he can be much helped or even cured, cranio-sacral therapy (osteopathy) should def. help too.
 

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Patti I was told her poop issues were stress related and suggested the rescue remedy

absolutely when you get back its yours
and I know some herbalists that may be able to help when you get back too
 

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Mädchen, we move to USA next month. I am totally eager to try homeopathy, and will consider that. Cranio-sacral therapy? Do many holistic vets do this? (I don't know quite what that is, to be honest-- have never heard of it before)

ChicagoCanine, absolutely. A consult is what I am going to get when I can. I am hoping the vet I choose offers many therapies, especially Chinese herbs and homeopathy.

I wish this were a training issue. Corrections DO help him to control himself to a small degree, but the base problem itself needs to be addressed (the sudden intensity out of the blue when he sees a trigger, then it goes through the roof and he explodes). To set us both up for success, we need to stop the problem at the source, his nerves, his wiring. So, I am trying to figure out a holistic therapy that would apply to such a strange problem. I have just never seen or hear of this before.

Thanks Dawn! Herbalists are good! I can't wait to meet you and Brady! As you can see, at this point, it will sadly need to be without Grimm, until we can get this under some sort of control.
 

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Hey Patti,

When you do arrive into the U.S., maybe also look into doggy acupunture. I've read and heard it can effectively calm and help hyper dogs. To what extend is beyond my knowledge. Anything is worth a try and looked into at this point. Please keep us posted and good luck.

Dan
 

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Thanks for the idea, Dan. While Grimm oddly isn't hyper (until this cascade of intensity symptoms sets in), who knows, it may help. If I can find a holistic vet who offers enough varying types of therapy, hopefully she or he may also offer accupuncture, and can tell me if it might suit this unusual problem or not. Thank you for your input, Dan-- I really do appreciate it!
 

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In this way, Max and Grimm could be brothers, they share this trait. Standard training stuff doesn't get at this particular issue, though, as you know, completely necessary to provide structure, etc.

This is a constitutional issue, and if you find a good homeopathic practitioner, they should be able to help. I have one that might do phone consults, if and when you are ever ready. I haven't been able to work much with her with Max -- so many fires to put out with these dogs in the past couple years, too much to manage, both with time and finances.

There are only two things that I have found so far that make a difference with Max. The first is that he is so much better when he is on doxycycline -- which leads me to believe he is hosting some systemic "thing". The second is when I added a fish oil, high in EPA, kinda by accident. This is the one that I've been using: http://www.vitacost.com/Country-Life-Omega-3-Mood

Craniosacral - Tuning in: http://www.equinecst.com/
 

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Thank you for the input, Lisa! Max is this way, too? Is he always hyped up? Or only suddenly when he sees something he wants and it just gets to this insane intensity/detonation? Grimm is a blob in the house, but gets wildly hyped up when a visitor comes that he WANTS to greet right now now nowwww-- and it escalates. Very much, as you say, a constitution issue. It's how he's wired. He came this way at 9 weeks. More than low frustration tolerance, more than impatience, more than impulse control issues.. a friendly happy dog who suddenly gets intensity that builds superfast into an explosion. YIKES. This is likely a neuro/nerve issue.

Training can help to some small degree, but it is the *tendency* to suddenly get intense and explode that is the real problem.

I may take you up on the phone consult idea, if the holistic vet is as good as you say! Thank you so much for thinking of Grimmi and me!
 

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Yes, reactive is a bit of an understatement. Max is a very lovable and sweet boy, but only once he has "settled". It does not take much to trigger this "tunnel vision" type of reactiveness, and when it's triggered, there is no outside world for him. *He cannot handle stimulation*

Oddly enough, it is similar with nutrition and supplements. If I add something with him, it has to be small doses, or it overwhelms him. Indy seems to absorb and utilize evrything, not so with Max. Very often I have to give him the same dose I would give little Indy, rather than a GSD size dose.

I am now wondering, as I think about this, if it's not the vaccines. I had a hair analysis done, and the metal getting close to the "high" measurement for Max was mercury.

I guess I'm curious about doing a metal detox. And homeopathy is one of the best treatments for anything vaccine related.
 

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My holistic vet uses many different therapies and treatments including acupuncture, different herbs including chinese, massage therapy, chiropractic and others. So hopefully you should be able to find a vet like that. If you're interested this is my vet: http://royaltreatmentvetspa.com/
 
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