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Originally Posted By: KodeeGirlI switched Kodee to grain-free adult food at about 5 mos or so. He is doing great. He eats Orijen adult, and gets Salmon Oil and Vit E daily. His new vet (board cerified and very well-respected in our area) says his joints all look/feel great so far. He was also impressed with his muscle tone and how he carries his muscle weight in proportion to his frame.

Just do as much research as you can, and then decide based on what arguments make the most sense to you. That's all you can do. There is no consensus out there on what's best - you are going to hear arguments for puppy vs. adult, grain-free vs. grains, no matter where/who you ask. Just use your best judgement. I personally felt the argument that dogs would not eat grain in significant amounts in the wild was a good argument. Pups in the wild get weaned onto meat/bone/organ. Other people would argue that pups in the wild don't do as well as dogs on dog food with grain, but I feel good about my decision. Kodee is thriving and happy and that's good enough for me. Good luck!
I would research a lot before feeding an inmature pup a grain free diet.

I have to take my car in, but later I'll compare say Canidae all life stages vs Orijen.

KodeeGirl - Have you talked to an ortho vet about feeding a growing puppy grain free kibble?
 

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So here is a comparison between Orijen Adult (Grain free) and Canidae all life stages

Orijen Adult (I have removed some items just to save space)
Guaranteed Analysis
Protein 42.0%
Fat 16.0%
Moisture 10.0%
Fiber 3.0%
Calcium (min.) 1.6%
Calcium (max.) 1.8%
Phosphorus (min.) 1.2%
Phosphorus (max.) 1.4%
4200 kcal/kg (483 kcal per 250ml cup)
http://www.championpetfoods.com/orijen/products/adult.aspx

Canidae all life stages (I have removed some items just to save space)
Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein (min.) 24.00%
Crude Fat (min.) 14.50%
Moisture (min.) 10.00%
Crude Fiber (max.) 4.00%
Calcium (min.) 1.20%
Phosphorus (min.) .90%
Calculated Caloric Content
ME (kcal/kg) 4125
ME (kcal/g) 4.13
ME (kcal/lb) 1875
ME (kcal/cup) 468
http://www.canidae.com/dogs/all_life_stages/dry.html

Differences:
Protein +18%
Fat + 1.5%
Calcium +.5% (used an average of min/max for Orijen)
Phosphorus +.4% (used an average of min/max for Orijen)

Of course, since lines of thought change as we learn more and more and technology allows different means of study and communication there may come a time when they say no it's not protein level, it's not calcium, it's not phosphorus or calories, it's XXX.

With what we know right now, I wouldn't suggest feeding a growing GSD Orijen grain free. The makers of Wellness Core suggested not feeding Core to a puppy due to calcium at higher than 1.5% (Core is 2%)

I think it's a great food and one I may try with Dante down the line.

Just my $0.02 and time looking at foods and talking to dog food companies. I'm not a vet, don't even play one on t.v.
 

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Finding the right food for our dogs can be a lot of work!!
I find it fascinating to poke around, usually just need a reason to dig in (and the time).

The thing with food rating sites is that you can't compare a puppy food to a grain free food. I believe that grain free foods are great and for some dogs a better diet. That said, in my mind (and again I'm not a vet) they shouldn't be fed to a "large breed" puppy so they can't be compared straight across to an all stages food that has grain.

My all time favorite dog food website is: http://www.dogaware.com/

I moved Dante to an adult food at about 5 months.
 

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Originally Posted By: MaiBarb what do you think about people who feed their puppies raw? Isn't that grain free?
It is and I hope that those that feed puppies raw are balancing the diet appropriately, which it can be.
I am NOT against raw or grain free food, I think they’re both great.
 
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