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I got my puppy at 8 weeks and he's been inside in his crate every night for the last 6 weeks. I've already decided to have a kennel outside with protection from the weather but I am uncertain on exactly when he would be safe to move out of the house. During this time of year the temperatures at night dip to about 55-60 and a min of 48F in the coldest winter nights which he wont see until he is almost a year old. I planned to move him out when he out grew his crate but I am wondering if that is necessary as I can just continue the crate training method in a partitioned kennel.

So what is everyones suggestions with when I can be confident to move Sagan out to his kennel? This is more of a question of his physical comfort than bonding as I take him to work with me and he's by my side the majority of the day.

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Why wouldn't you want your dog to live inside with you?
 

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I would keep him inside with you - he will want to be with you. The Monks of New Skete in their book "How to be Your Dog's Best Friend" have an helpful chapter on the importance of having your dog sleep in the bedroom with you (but on the floor):)
 

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Why wouldn't you want your dog to live inside with you?
Do we have to go through this again? There is a dogma in this forum that the only acceptable way to own a dog is for the dog to live inside.
There is no point in arguing with people who hold this 'religious' belief.
The OP has already defensively stated that his dog spends a lot of time with him, perhaps already anticipating the usual disapproval of the '"no outside dog" crowd. Predictably the first post in response doesn't even give due respect to the OP's question but starts proselytizing.

To answer the OP's question, your pup at 14 weeks can comfortably live in an outside kennel at 55 degrees. By next winter, he should be comfortable in an outside kennel at 48. He is a German shepherd, a breed that started out as a herding dog in harsh weather Germany. The temperatures in Maui should be a breeze as his body naturally adapts to the mild seasonal changes there. I would be more concerned about the heat in the hottest months and the rain in the wettest. However, you said his kennel is weather proof so I assume you have that taken care of with adequate shade, drinking water and rain proofing.
 

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He will be inside occasionally but I want him outside most of the time for both his own sanity in not being stuck indoors and also to serve better protection for my home at night. Currently the property isn't fully fenced so until then he will be in the kennel or on lead when outside. Being/sleeping inside isn't an option for much longer for many reasons but mostly because he's a dog (which I love) and I have particular standards inside that I couldn't fairly expect my dog to obey (shedding isn't a choice after all).
 

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A dog out in a kennel cannot protect you, your house or anything else.

A dog in the back yard will only protect your lawn mower while a thief is inside stealing your jewelry and electronics.

A dog in you home can protect you while you sleep, and protect your stuff when you're away.

Why do you want to keep it in a kennel where it is useless?
 

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Do we have to go through this again? There is a dogma in this forum that the only acceptable way to own a dog is for the dog to live inside.
There is no point in arguing with people who hold this 'religious' belief.
The OP has already defensively stated that his dog spends a lot of time with him, perhaps already anticipating the usual disapproval of the '"no outside dog" crowd. Predictably the first post in response doesn't even give due respect to the OP's question but starts proselytizing.

To answer the OP's question, your pup at 14 weeks can comfortably live in an outside kennel at 55 degrees. By next winter, he should be comfortable in an outside kennel at 48. He is a German shepherd, a breed that started out as a herding dog in harsh weather Germany. The temperatures in Maui should be a breeze as his body naturally adapts to the mild seasonal changes there.
Thanks for the info that's really helpful. I know the breed can handle much colder temperatures but I know usually puppies come in the spring so I was still a little uncertain on the actual temperature tolerance for them as they're young.

Do you have any input on the upper threshold and hotter weather I should try to avoid? Thankfully I live in a pretty moderate elevation and the range is between 48-80 but down at sea level it can get upwards to 90. I know gsds that live by the ocean where it gets warmer but it can't certainly be very comfortable for them.
 

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A dog out in a kennel cannot protect you, your house or anything else.

A dog in the back yard will only protect your lawn mower while a thief is inside stealing your jewelry and electronics.

A dog in you home can protect you while you sleep, and protect your stuff when you're away.

Why do you want to keep it in a kennel where it is useless?
Well as I said the kennel should only be temporary before I am confident he will reamin inside the fence line. As for the purpose of protection in the interim, I am a light sleeper and the kennel is close to the only door that has access to my home so all I need is a few barks and I can inspect what is going on.
 

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Unless your fence will be going all the way around your yard with a gate at the driveway, keeping a dog in the yard is not offering much protection.

A "backyard fence" will not help when the bad guy comes in the front door.
 

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Unless your fence will be going all the way around your yard with a gate at the driveway, keeping a dog in the yard is not offering much protection.

A "backyard fence" will not help when the bad guy comes in the front door.
That's exactly how the property will be secured. Is there anything else you would like to know for my reason to ask the initial question? I can send you pictures of the current fence and gate if you want to give me your opinion on how secure it is and if it is gsd friendly...
 

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Do you have any input on the upper threshold and hotter weather I should try to avoid? Thankfully I live in a pretty moderate elevation and the range is between 48-80 but down at sea level it can get upwards to 90. I know gsds that live by the ocean where it gets warmer but it can't certainly be very comfortable for them.
As long as your dog has access to shade and water, and is healthy, 90 degrees should not be a problem. Just don't expect to go running several miles with him. In hotter weather it would be nice for him to have access to water where he can dunk himself. I have 5 gallon horse feeding troughs made of hard rubber that they basically use as bath tubs in hot weather that they have free access to. If you have a clean pond or a pool or an old bath tub that'll work too. One benefit with dogs that spend a lot of time outside is that their bodies and coats can gradually adapt to natural temperature and weather changes.
 

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As long as your dog has access to shade and water, and is healthy, 90 degrees should not be a problem. Just don't expect to go running several miles with him. In hotter weather it would be nice for him to have access to water where he can dunk himself. I have 5 gallon horse feeding troughs made of hard rubber that they basically use as bath tubs in hot weather that they have free access to. If you have a clean pond or a pool or an old bath tub that'll work too. One benefit with dogs that spend a lot of time outside is that their bodies and coats can gradually adapt to natural temperature and weather changes.
Thanks, for the most part he will be in the same cooler climate. The warmer times will just be for the few hours in the back of my truck (shaded), on a hike or at the beach. So I'll make sure to have water and the necessities to keep him comfortable.
 

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I'm curious exactly why, if shedding is an issue, why you got a breed that sheds? You could have just as easily have gotten a poodle and had that alert capability. After all potential intruders would rather not deal with a dog anyway as a dog IN THE HOUSE doesn't make the property desirable. Thieves want the easy in and out. A dog prevents that.
 

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My uncle is a k9 officer. His dog is with him for his entire 12 hour shift. Plus training. Plus free time play/socialization. His dogs have always been kenneled in the back yard/garage. Guess that's cruel for a dog that spends 15+ hours of the day with him?

OP already stated the dog goes to work with him. That's spending more time with him than many people who's dogs are passed out on the couch while they work all day

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My two GSD's are outside during the day in summer and spring. It keeps them acclimated to the weather. If it's bad weather they come inside and at night they are inside. During cooler weather they spend most time inside. They always work when it's cold, it's the heat they have to get used to. My puppy has been outside during the day in a run or x-pen since I got him at 8 weeks.
 

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by no means be confident your dog will remain inside the fence line.
don't count on your dog being protective. some GSD's are protective
some aren't.

Well as

>>>> I said the kennel should only be temporary before I am confident he will reamin inside the fence line.<<<<


As for the purpose of protection in the interim, I am a light sleeper and the kennel is close to the only door that has access to my home so all I need is a few barks and I can inspect what is going on.
 

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i think passed out on the couch means the dog is indoors.
is your dog indoors or outside? the OP wants to leave a puppy
outside and when the dog is older he wants to leave the dog
outside without a fenced in yard.

My uncle is a k9 officer. His dog is with him for his entire 12 hour shift. Plus training. Plus free time play/socialization. His dogs have always been kenneled in the back yard/garage. Guess that's cruel for a dog that spends 15+ hours of the day with him?

OP already stated the dog goes to work with him. That's spending more time with him than many people who's dogs are

>>>> passed out on the couch<<<<

while they work all day

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He will be inside occasionally but I want him outside most of the time for both his own sanity in not being stuck indoors and also to serve better protection for my home at night. Currently the property isn't fully fenced so until then he will be in the kennel or on lead when outside. Being/sleeping inside isn't an option for much longer for many reasons but mostly because he's a dog (which I love) and I have particular standards inside that I couldn't fairly expect my dog to obey (shedding isn't a choice after all).
I LOVE it when people think having their dog OUTSIDE protects their house!

And so do the criminals. :) Hey, will I break into the house with the German Shepherds inside the home? Or safely penned in the outside kennel? Heck, they are constantly bothering the neighbors by barking all the time anyways... so the fact this ONE TIME there are burglars breaking in won't make a difference. :wild:

I don't mind brief kenneling opportunities in a large fenced in kennel if an owner knew they had to be gone for a long period of time during the day for an ADULT dog. But GENERALLY leaving dogs outside is not good for them (or the neighbors). ESPECIALLY when they are young (someone said 14 weeks? I STRONGLY disagree with that age for ANY pup/reason).

http://www.mdspca.org/petcare/documents/doginout.pdf

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