No worries, I didn't mean Czech vs DDR vs WGWL... I was more curious about the actual sire and dam lines known for producing more serious/hard dogs. Sorry if I wasn't more clear.No assumptions Julian, its just my firm opinion that you can read so much stuff about Czech, East German, West German, and none of it is as important as the the knowledge of the breeder and its always better to see then read. One person's "serious" is another's "Mule"
What do you consider serious?
A raw dog that stays in the fight under a lot of pressure. @carmspack, you may be right, but I have seen actively aggressive dogs who were this way because of an underlying fear.I would consider active aggression , rather than the prey based dogs
Yes, there is an aura. It's a bit hard to explain but I feel as though I know it when I see it. Anyways, do you know of any lines like this?there is a difference between active and reactive aggression.
the difference is seen in the dog in the "normal" state - when no aggression of any sort is needed.
there is an aura of power and will
Ugh, what are you even talking about? If you don't know the answer then don't go off on some assumption based rant. All I asked is which lines were known for producing serious/hard dogs. Maybe it's something I want to avoid? Maybe it's something I need? Maybe it's just something that I'm curious about? Doesn't matter, mind your own business please.My thoughts on this, why not just get a nice, social, confident, high drivey dog and work him or her in a protection sport with reputable people.
Learn all you can and title the dog. IPO, ring, something with a good reputation and good people in the sport.
You like that dog, and she's got what it takes, go ahead after that and train her in some basic PPD work. It's not a huge leap from IPO to PPD with most dogs. Even prey can be channeled into some pretty serious "aggression".
I know next to nothing about GSD lines, except that I like what I see in some GSDs, when I see it. I am far more familiar with malinois pedigrees.
Where are you living that you see a need for a dog staying in the fight? All it takes is one look at my big male staring at them from a sit at my side, and next to nobody will bother me.
Many people have an almost primal fear of a big, strong, pointy-eared dog. Use that, and you won't need the dog to engage or stay in a fight, unless you are really in a bad area. And then-rock-paper-scissors... gun over dog.
Of course I am assuming you've got rock solid OB and a good human-dog relationship.
I'd see different dogs ideally over time, through training and then the actual performance of the work or sport then see how the different opinions of serious, active,reactive, whatever, fits. It will give you a different perspective then taking the descriptions and opinions and trying to fit dogs into it. See what I mean?No worries, I didn't mean Czech vs DDR vs WGWL... I was more curious about the actual sire and dam lines known for producing more serious/hard dogs. Sorry if I wasn't more clear.
Do you mean like SCH/IPO, military, K9, or just down right mean watch dogs. When I think of a hard German Shepherd for some reason I automatically go to closed line Czech German Shepherd, and closed line DDR german shepherd. Dogs of the past. Maybe a couple breeders that have been able to keep the lines closed but most are a mix of different lines.Hi,
I am curious to know if there are any known serious/hard gsd lines left and what they are. Thanks for any and all information.