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Which CKC? Canadian or Continental?
 

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Is that CKC the Canadian Kennel Club, or the Continental Kennel Club? The former is a legitimate registry, but the latter is a fake registry for BYBs and puppy mills. AKC (American Kennel Club) and UKC (United Kennel Club) are also legitimate registries. Find out which your breeder is using, because if they are using Continental Kennel Club, it's a sure sign of poor breeding practices. Especially if you are looking to breed in the future--you want to start out the right way.
 

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Continental. How is it a fake registry? Is there a way to get a non-AKC registered pup and have it registered through AKC? Do they have any sort of way to prove your pup is purebred?

Now as far as naming kennels goes.... I think (at least for the moment), I'm learning toward giving it my grandma's maiden name of Daul. I thought calling it Daulhaus. Would the pups be voN Daulhaus, or voM Daulhaus, and does that even make sense whatsoever?
 

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No. the CKC (Continental) will "register" any dog as a purebred with only a photo. It is used by BYBs and puppy mills who cannot register their dogs with a legitimate registry, either because they have no pedigree, the breeder has been banned from the AKC, or what have you. Any breeder who uses the Continental Kennel Club is a breeder I would stay far, far away from. Gigantic red flag there. Keep looking. If you want to breed eventually, you need to stick with legitimate registries. AKC and other real registries will not accept CKC papers.
 

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It would be voM Daulhaus because 'haus' is a feminin noun (like in French),

CKC(Continental) is not a reputable registry. We have had people here post their CKC registration papers for feedback, and turns out the pedigree was fake - easy to spot that the pedigree was fabricated if you know of some of the dogs listed, and colour genetics.

You would think that if you are going to lie and fabricate a pedigree, you would at least half-try to make it believable by not coming up with impossible genetic colour combinations.

I know from your other threads that you are very interested in breeding and training police service dogs - my suggestion to you is that a dog suitable for your goals is not going to come from a breeder that has CKC registered dogs - find a breeder that breeds for the same goals you want your dog to achieve, and has a TRACK RECORD of producing, placing and TRAINING dogs that end up as active working dogs.

From the sound of it, you are not even familiar of the difference between the different lines and their different traits and temperaments. Your first puppy should be a learning/practice puppy. Not a breeding prospect. Once you've raised your pup and trained it and titled it for everything under the sun (for you to gain experience and to learn about drives and working traits), THEN you will be in a much better position to find the right pup and think about breeding for your end goals.
 

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That's good to know. I've looked into the CKC because I wasn't sure about it. The breeder I am looking at has AKC and CKC registered dogs. I figured she is a reputable breeder and sells her dogs all over the US and hasn't had any issues with them. Hmm. Good to know. Thank you!


Lucia; I was looking at one of my dad's pups for a "training" pup. His dogs are not registered, etc. The bitch has beautiful coloring, disposition, and confirmation; the stud is a white shepherd and I'm not a huge fan of his confirmation, but he's intelligent and gentle. I figured my first pup would be something to learn with. Find out what methods work, what will produce a willing partner, and what trainers I like, and who to stay away from. You're correct - I would love to breed police and/or service dogs, though I know I can't do it without the right genetics, traits, and training. I'm not looking to find a bitch to put out litters and call them K9s.

I'm not completely familiar with the different lines, no. I'm looking into all sorts of things so I can be prepared when I'm ready for a pup of my own. I've been scouring the forums here to find out all the information I can, and adventuring off to the wonderful world of Google when I'm not sure of something; or I ask ridiculous questions here so I understand what I need to know for the future. I truly appreciate all the help I've gotten here!
 

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Puppy mills sell their dogs all over. All it takes is a convincing web site. Here is a website from a breeder who breeds BASED ON PERSONAL EXPERIENCE with dogs - not based on fancy pedigrees and great web marketing:
German Shepherd Breeder | Police Dogs | Schutzhund | Washington USA | BC Canada

Also sells and places pups all over the US and Canada - the difference is that K9 departments come to her for dogs because of knowledge of k9 dogs, and dogs she sells actually end up WORKING as k9. Anyone can make a claim on their website that their dogs come from police dogs (somewhere back in the pedigree), or that their dogs are suitable as working dogs, but unless people are lining up to get working dogs from the breeder because they have proven that they deliver what they advertise, then it is just talk.

Don't go for just the talk. Go for the walk. And breeding 20 litters and having one working dog in the bunch, that is not walking the walk, that is a fluke. :)

More on finding a breeder, and what to look for and avoid:
(Types of German Shepherds, by Wildhaus Kennels )

(German Shepherd Breeders, by Wildhaus Kennels)

How to tell a good breeder website from a bad one | Ruffly Speaking

Here is another breeder that walks the walks - don't need to brag all that much, their own personal accomplishments and the accomplishements of the dogs they have bred talk for themselves. The website makes my eyes hurt, LOL, but this is a breeder that knows working dogs, and their knowledge comes from years and years and years of working with dogs in many different venues -

http://www.diehlspolicek9training.com/main.asp
 

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I know what puppy mills are, though I figured this breeder was good, as her pups do go all over. I don't know where they end up, working-wise, or if they are just pets. I know my husband's dog came from them, and he is one of the best dogs I have ever had.

Guess I have more research ahead of me. That's ok...I still have to convince hubby I need a pup of my own so he can resume training his OWN dog. ;)

I will definitely check out the links provided and go through the AKC website a little better. Maybe I can find a good pup there. (Now where was my Santa wish-list again?)
 

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The breeder may have some wonderful dogs, and the pups could very well be wonderful, healthy companions, but for your foundation bitch, you need to be more choosy - you have to know the difference between lines, get a dog from a breeder that has a track record for producing working traits, and the dogs are properly registered so that potential health issues can be tracked and avoided.

Once you start REALLY getting into training for actual working titles, like IPO or PSA or PP, you will get a solid understanding of drives, hardness, bidability, mental balance, good vs bad aggression, thresholds, reactivity, etc. You will see that not any dog has it what it takes, and that "IT" has to be bred for. It doesn't come just from training. Some lines have been bred for "IT" for generations, and that is the background you want in your breeding dog (again, one reason to have a dog with proper AKC registration, where you can trust the pedigree).
 

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Yeah, her dogs are amazing. They are family raised and socialized. They are around a variety of animals, situations, strangers...a little of everything. Their dogs are solid animals and fantastic companions. Bullet, I think, with proper training, could be a great narcotic dog. He's not much for bitework (he was injured before training for it, and hubby doesn't think he'd hold up to the physical strain. I think it's crap - Bullet runs and jumps and crawls and gets stomped by horses and doesn't STOP). I digress.

I like the working European line. They have a nice look to them, and as their name implies, they're for working. I guess I don't really want a show dog that will have less capability for performing.

Are you Wildhaus kennel, or do you just have a dog from them? I have looked into them numerous times and have been scared by the cost of the pup, though I know a great dog with bloodlines isn't going to be cheap. The more I look into them, the more I'm absolutely in love. I want to find the best possible animal for what I'd like to train for. Now to convince hubby that I absolutely need a great dog to start with so I can build on training later on down the road.

(Oh man, I can see this argument already. Me: Hey, hubby...what do you think of.....
hubby: NO. )
 

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It would be voM Daulhaus because 'haus' is a feminin noun (like in French),
In German, "das Haus" is neutral and therefore uses "vom." All masculine and neutral nouns in German use "vom." For a feminine noun, German uses "von." See post #10 in this thread for a description of this.

The gender is based on the noun, not the person or dog involved. English speakers will NEVER be able to correctly guess the gender of a noun, you must simply memorize them. There is no logical scheme to the categorization.
 

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If you use the language long enough I think there are patterns in speech, how the sounds and the words flow. Some just sound more natural than others. I don't think they are completely random. I have correctly guessed many times.
 

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Liesje,

I agree that once a person has enough experience with German you can start to guess, there are some patterns that emerge. But is was never systematic from the start. For example, look at silverware. You have fork (die Gabel), spoon (der Loeffel) and knife (das Messer). There is no reason for the assignment of gender for these items. You must simply memorize these. And so it goes throughout the language.
 

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But the words Gable, Loeffel, and Messer are very different. I'm talking about the sounds as it rolls of the tongue being spoken, not what the words represent (items of a similar use/nature). I honestly don't know how the gender is assigned and have never studied linguistics or the history of the German language but have found that the more you use the language (spoken) the easier it is to "guess" the gender of a noun you may not have memorized.
 

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But the words Gable, Loeffel, and Messer are very different. I'm talking about the sounds as it rolls of the tongue being spoken, not what the words represent (items of a similar use/nature). I honestly don't know how the gender is assigned and have never studied linguistics or the history of the German language but have found that the more you use the language (spoken) the easier it is to "guess" the gender of a noun you may not have memorized.
Huh? :confused:
 

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What don't you get? There are several categories of words or word endings in German that will make it always be a certain gender. You don't have to memorize the gender in the language to be able to correctly use prepositional phrases, etc. For example, -heit, -keit, -tät, -ung, -schaft...these are ALWAYS feminine. Doesn't matter what the words actually mean, only that they sound the same with those endings.
 

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Help naming my puppy

Just found and read this entire thread, and now I have a question.

First, the background. My GSD was found abandoned in the woods with his dam and 9 littermates. [They could be mixes, of course, but the dam appears purebred as do all 10 puppies (they are 8 months old now), but I digress....] The DNA test on my puppy indicates purebred.

I will be applying for an ILP number from AKC for him so that I can show him in obedience and tracking.

I was planning on naming him "Otto von Willoglen," Willoglen being a combination of my parents' names and the kennel name that I used when breeding and showing Shelties.

Will this be considered poor form? I don't want to offend any purists as I plan on getting a 2nd GSD from a reputable breeder in a few years. (I am still researching, but I am very attracted to photos of Esko vom Klammeck at Truehaus...again, digressing....) I would like to get involved in working titles at some point.

Thanks for your help! Suggestions will be appreciated!
 

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I don't think it matters b/c Willowglen are not German words. You could use the gender of the German word for "glen". Also I don't think it's poor form, I give my rescue dogs "full" names too :) The name "Otto" has likely been used dozens of times so the AKC would just attach your last name or a number, so you might as well think of something cute.
 

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So is Beau von den alten bergen correct? {basically Beau of the old mountains I think, from west virginny}
 

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German plurals use the feminine form and it's dative plural, so it's probably correct....it's been a while!
 
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