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Does anyone else find it strange that Micheal Vick has become some what of a celebrity spokesperson for HSUS? Touring the country with HSUS President Wayne Pacelle giving talks to school children. And that Pacelle has defended Vick saying he deserves a second chance because "We are all sinners when it comes to animals, and we can all do better." (that can be found here:Redemption for a dogfighter - SFGate). He didn't think Vick's dogs deserved a chance though and HSUS urged the judge to kill them when Vick was arrested (that can be found [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/01/sports/football/01vick.html"]here:http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/01/sports/football/01vick.html [/URL]).


It's really quite sad that this organization still gets so much of people's money :(



"The convicted dogfighter and former Falcons quarterback was released from prison last year. He returned to football and has been enjoying stunning success with the Philadelphia Eagles.
He also has been touring schools across the country, telling children that he is reformed and that dogfighting is bad. But he is still living under a court-ordered ban on dog ownership.
Vick has critics who believe the ban should be permanent, but others say he can be a responsible pet owner.
"I have been around him a lot, and feel confident that he would do a good job as a pet owner," Wayne Pacelle, president of the Humane Society of the United States, told the AJC Wednesday.
Pacelle, who has toured schools with Vick, said the football player has committed to speaking publicly against dogfighting for the rest of his life."

Dog advocates disagree about whether Vick would be a good owner | ajc.com
 

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What he has done, as disgusting as it was, cannot be undone.

But there is power in a star professional athlete sending the message that he was wrong and animals deserve better treatment. In my view, his message can only help.. maybe an extra kid or two will not want to get involved, or other kids (I'm thinking girls..) would more likely call authorities if they learned about dog fighting in the area.

So, as much as I find his actions past actions deplorable, I think it's a good thing to use his celebrity to educate and change minds, to whatever degree it can.
 

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I saw this article today Michael Vick of Philadelphia Eagles says he'd like to own a dog someday - ESPN

Michael Vick, who was banned by the judge who sentenced him on dogfighting charges from owning another dog while on probation, says he misses being a dog owner and would like to have one as a pet someday.
I wonder what he misses about being a pet owner:rolleyes:

The Eagles quarterback, interviewed by NBC News and the website TheGrio.com, said he and his family miss having a dog. He said he wants to show people that he can be a responsible pet owner and that he would not take the opportunity for granted. Too bad he already did

"I would love to get another dog in the future. I think it would be a big step for me in the rehabilitation process," Vick said, according to NBC News and TheGrio.com. The full interview was scheduled to be shown on TheGrio.com on Wednesday. How about instead he put in some time with rescues that pick up dogs from people like him


"I have been around him a lot, and feel confident that he would do a good job as a pet owner," Wayne Pacelle, president of the Humane Society of the United States, told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution on Wednesday.
so Vick is willing to donate a lot of $$$ to the HSUS right:rolleyes:

As part of Vick's probation, he can't buy, sell or own a dog.
Yay!!! :happyboogie:
On Tuesday at a Philadelphia-area charter school, where Vick was speaking out against dogfighting, he was asked if he would return to the Eagles next season.
"I would hope so," Vick said, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer. "A lot of things have to happen. A lot of things have to take place. ... But hopefully I'm a Philadelphia Eagle next season."

Vick has led the Eagles to a share of the NFC East division lead and resurrected a career many thought was all but over after he went to federal prison for funding a dogfighting ring. The operation trained pit bulls to fight and killed dogs that did not perform well in training sessions.
Vick told NBC News and TheGrio.com. that he wants to show that that part of his past is behind him.
So according to this he only funded dog fighting but had no active role in dog fighting or torture and killing of dogs:rolleyes:

"I think just to have a pet in my household and to show people that I genuinely care, and my love and my passion for animals; I think it would be outstanding," Vick said in the interview. "If I ever have the opportunity again I will never take it for granted.
Sure for his image it would be outstanding but it would be a lie, no one with compassion and love for animals could do what he did.

"I miss having a dog right now. I wish I could. My daughters miss having one, and that's the hardest thing: Telling them that we can't have one because of my actions," Vick said in the interview.
Thats wonderful, now he can think before he does something of how his actions affect other people
 

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He has served his given punishment already and technically doesn't have to do anything else. He is voluntarily doing more. (I understand that it helps his image as much as the agenda, but still) Why would anyone ever object to him doing more to make sure that things like this don't happen again.
 

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I wish he would crawl into the woodwork where it comes to animals. Do I want him being the poster child fore HSUS? No way! Why? Because he is only getting there by giving them money and headlines. And he can generate plenty of both. I do not like HSUS.

What he did is shameful, even if he only funded it. Parading it around and flaunting it is disgusting. Look at me, I am a x-drug addict, look at me I am an x-alcoholic, look at me I am an x-dog fighter. I am going to tell you NOT to do the things I have done. Because you do not want to end up a multi-million dollar quarterback who spent time in jail and came out to be a multi-million dollar quarterback.

How much better it would be to get a smelly, pee drenched, wino off of skid row, to say to the kids, "I was once like you guys. Yes, I sat in a desk like that one there. And I had homework, and buddies, and a family, and a future. But then I started drinking."

Save the reformed Alcoholic for the prison support groups and AA meetings. I got my life back on track, so can you...

How do kids BELIEVE, this is your life, this is your life on drugs; when guys like Vick walk out of jail and back into their former rolls, druggies in the NFL too. Ok, they did their time, they aren't good roll models, not everyone is. BUT, why push MV down our throats as some type of animal advocate?

Let him spend his time on the football field while he still can, and leave the animal advocasy to people who were not involved in the most henous type of dog abuses.
 

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Michael Vick should never NEVER be allowed to own a dog, but I am sure as soon as he is off of probation, he will be "rescuing" a dog and the HSUS will have a whole campaign about it. I can see it now, "we gave Vick a second chance so he can give an abandoned dog a second chance." :angryfire:
 

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I tend not to be the "throw the book at them" type of person. I get the idea of serving your time and allowing for a chance to be reformed, etc. But in this case, I can't support him owning a dog (aside from the whole HSUS aspect). I just can't see how one views a dog as a source of entertainment in such a cruel forum, that a dog is so inconsequential it can live or die merely for entertainment, then suddenly changes to view a dog as a pet. I get some people don't view dogs the way most of us on the forum do (not that I agree with it), that it isn't hard for them to see cruelty or suffering because it is only a dog. I just don't think that type of view changes easily.

I completely agree with Sagelfn's post, particularly that he should work with rescues.

Well said by Selzer.
 

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What he has done, as disgusting as it was, cannot be undone.

But there is power in a star professional athlete sending the message that he was wrong and animals deserve better treatment. In my view, his message can only help.. maybe an extra kid or two will not want to get involved, or other kids (I'm thinking girls..) would more likely call authorities if they learned about dog fighting in the area.

So, as much as I find his actions past actions deplorable, I think it's a good thing to use his celebrity to educate and change minds, to whatever degree it can.

i have said the same thing before. the net result of what he is doing NOW will surely be good for dogs.

if he wasnt doing it, all you would hear is "see, he doesnt care. he isnt doing anything to educate kids, etc...."
 

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:rolleyes:...........And in other news Michael Vick said he would like to start raising chickens.
 

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Since I live in the Philly area, this story is all over the news this morning. I'll admit, I was yelling at the tv and radio that he shouldn't have a dog.

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I tend not to be the "throw the book at them" type of person. I get the idea of serving your time and allowing for a chance to be reformed, etc. But in this case, I can't support him owning a dog (aside from the whole HSUS aspect). I just can't see how one views a dog as a source of entertainment in such a cruel forum, that a dog is so inconsequential it can live or die merely for entertainment, then suddenly changes to view a dog as a pet. I get some people don't view dogs the way most of us on the forum do (not that I agree with it), that it isn't hard for them to see cruelty or suffering because it is only a dog. I just don't think that type of view changes easily.
This is exactly how I feel.
 

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The only reason Vick is doing all of this is to win back his fans and to keep his career. He is trying to fix is reputation so he can still play football and make money.

He doesn't care about animals, he already proved it! He doesn't deserve another chance with animals.

All animals want is to be loved and he was not capable of giving that to them, instead he showed them pain and hate.

He will never be a good person, hero or a role model IMO. :angryfire:
 

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What he has done, as disgusting as it was, cannot be undone.

But there is power in a star professional athlete sending the message that he was wrong and animals deserve better treatment. In my view, his message can only help.. maybe an extra kid or two will not want to get involved, or other kids (I'm thinking girls..) would more likely call authorities if they learned about dog fighting in the area.

So, as much as I find his actions past actions deplorable, I think it's a good thing to use his celebrity to educate and change minds, to whatever degree it can.
Agreed. While what he did was despicable, he may be useful as a (BAD) example to save the lives of many dogs. Hopefully, the dirtbags with whom he consorted have stopped, and their friends, and their friends.....
 

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He has served his given punishment already and technically doesn't have to do anything else. He is voluntarily doing more. (I understand that it helps his image as much as the agenda, but still) Why would anyone ever object to him doing more to make sure that things like this don't happen again.
I have not heard of any judgements that would release him from the probation that will last until 2012 if he completes it. There have been questionable incedents like him leaving his own birthday party shortly before a shooting incident involving a person who he is not allowed to be near.

Probation is not over until it is over.

He cannot own a dog until his probation is over. He can own other pets.
 

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He's not reformed he's jus sorry he got caught. If he had not been caught he would still be in the pit fighting busness torturing and killing those poor dogs. He does not deserve a snowballs chance in heck let alone a chance to tortcher some poor dog again. :angryfire:
 

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He's not reformed he's jus sorry he got caught. If he had not been caught he would still be in the pit fighting busness torturing and killing those poor dogs. He does not deserve a snowballs chance in heck let alone a chance to tortcher some poor dog again. :angryfire:
Christen, I couldn't agree more!
 

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He should be happy that he is on probation rather than in prison. His probation end date is coming up so I don't see why he is trying to make it look like he is being mistreated when he is on probation. He has had too many breaks to complain.

On the less popular side. Even though I think he should have had a harsher sentance for his crimes. He may have thought of the dogs like livestock. I have no trouble eating a pig or sheep that I raised as livestock but a pet lamb or pig would be another thing entirely.
 

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He should be happy that he is on probation rather than in prison. His probation end date is coming up so I don't see why he is trying to make it look like he is being mistreated when he is on probation. He has had too many breaks to complain.

On the less popular side. Even though I think he should have had a harsher sentance for his crimes. He may have thought of the dogs like livestock. I have no trouble eating a pig or sheep that I raised as livestock but a pet lamb or pig would be another thing entirely.
You dont abuse/torture livestock and you dont make livestock fight each other for money.
 

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You guys irritate me sometimes on issues like this.

Who better to talk about the horrors of dog-fighting than one who has been involved and recovered? How in the world do you know he has not repented and truely is sorry?

Can't a recovered alcoholic speak about alcoholism? Can't someone who has had an abortion speak of a renewed perspective?

So dog-fighting is illegal. Why isn't horse-racing wrong? They are hiked up on drugs and pushed to even death during a race. Do you come down on horse owners??? No, because it is legal to push a horse to its absolute limit.

What about dog-sled racing? Same canine species. Don't you want that competition stopped because dogs are abused and tortured, "trained" to death in some cases?

Get over your anger toward Vick. haven't you ever done anything wrong and realized later (maybe after getting caught)?
 
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