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OK! So my kids are playing outside,and I wanted to see,if she would protect them if some one,came into are backyard.I have a gillie suite...If you dont know what that is,its jupe burlap suite,worn by U.S. snipers to conceal them selfs.Anyways,so I go into the back yard with it on,and as soon as keesha see's me she starts to growl,and took up defenceive stance in front of my kids,as I walked closer,she became more aggresive at me,and was even closing the gap between me and her,I could tell she was gonna attack,but she didnot want to initiate unless she had to,well I walked closer about 20 ft away from my kids,and she attacked me! she did what K9 police dogs do just ran and jumped on me,before i could yell and let her know it was me she did bite me perty good,it drew blood but nothing real bad.I did praise her,on a **** of a job protecting them.i could tell she felt bad for what she did,but she was doing what was right in her mind.Now I hope i didnot disscourage her,if some does come back there,What do you guys think?
 

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Great way to traumatize a PUPPY!
 

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This is what I think, I think your insane. I am sorry but why would you do such a thing? The pup is just 7mo old and you do this. Unbelievable.This type of stuff needs to be done by someone who is extremely experienced in. Now you may have created a major problem let alone a law suit if your dog bites a kid that happens to walk in your yard.

Another thing that bothers me is you provoked your own dog, and you let the dog bite you on top of drawing blood. Not good in my book. You just may have opened a can of worms you don't want.
 

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Originally Posted By: luvsables The pup is just 7mo old and you do this. Unbelievable.This type of stuff needs to be done by someone who is extremely experienced in.
Any anyone that is experienced in this type of thing, and has a lick of sense(sp), would NOT do this to a PUPPY.
 

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Hmm, sounds like a great way to make a confident puppy into a fear aggressive problem.

If you want a real protection dog, you need to TRAIN for it, daily and the right way, for years........................
 

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Originally Posted By: GSD LOVERWhat do you guys think?
Well, here's what I think....

This is NOT the way to properly test or train a dog for protection.

This is NOT something you should ever do with your OWN DOG.

This is NOT something that should ever be done to a 7 MONTH OLD PUPPY.

Your dog was showing fear, and reacting only because her initial defensive warnings didn't make the threat (YOU) go away. She was not protective. 7 month old pups aren't protective. But like any animal, if faced with a threat they will attack to defend themselves if they must.

You have just traumatized your dog. She has learned that people are scary. She has learned that YOU are scary and cannot be trusted. And she has learned that biting people is an acceptable response. And she's learned these things at a very impressionable age, where the lessons may stick with her forever and the damage may never be undone even with GOOD training.

I'll stop now because if I say the rest of what I think, I'll be breaking some major board rules...
 

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Thanks for all your opions,but she is just fine.I took her on a walk and was still calm around other people/dogs.Mabe time will tell...who knows,but im proud of her protecting my kids,and knowing she will do that.Tramatize.....Please!!!!! have ever seen how they train K-9 dogs?
 

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Originally Posted By: Chris Wild
Originally Posted By: GSD LOVERWhat do you guys think?
Well, here's what I think....

This is NOT the way to properly test or train a dog for protection.

This is NOT something you should ever do with your OWN DOG.

This is NOT something that should ever be done to a 7 MONTH OLD PUPPY.

Your dog was showing fear, and reacting only because her initial defensive warnings didn't make the threat (YOU) go away. She was not protective. 7 month old pups aren't protective. But like any animal, if faced with a threat they will attack to defend themselves if they must.

You have just traumatized your dog. She has learned that people are scary. She has learned that YOU are scary and cannot be trusted. And she has learned that biting people is an acceptable response. And she's learned these things at a very impressionable age, where the lessons may stick with her forever and the damage may never be undone even with GOOD training.

I'll stop now because if I say the rest of what I think, I'll be breaking some major board rules...
Are you a Qualified trainer/behaiver specialist?
 

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I read your other posts, you say you are new to GSDs. I suggest getting an education in the breed.

As a 15 year vetern on a police department with many friends who are K9 handlers and after working with a trainer who trains personal protections dogs, Yes I have seen how they are trained. What you did just aint it!
 

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Originally Posted By: GSD LOVER.Tramatize.....Please!!!!! have ever seen how they train K-9 dogs?
As a matter of fact YES. I trained with the K9s from several Police and Sherrif depts for YEARS. And they do NOT do things like this. They also do NOT train PUPPIES.

You also have NO right to get defensive and act like we have no brains. You ASKED what we thought, and we TOLD you.
 

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GSD Lover,

Maybe you need to check out Chris Wilds website and SEE her qualifications. She isn't some idiot. She has been training and titling GSD for years. Probably longer than you have HAD GSDs.
 

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Originally Posted By: GSD LOVER
Originally Posted By: Chris Wild
Originally Posted By: GSD LOVERWhat do you guys think?
Well, here's what I think....

This is NOT the way to properly test or train a dog for protection.

This is NOT something you should ever do with your OWN DOG.

This is NOT something that should ever be done to a 7 MONTH OLD PUPPY.

Your dog was showing fear, and reacting only because her initial defensive warnings didn't make the threat (YOU) go away. She was not protective. 7 month old pups aren't protective. But like any animal, if faced with a threat they will attack to defend themselves if they must.

You have just traumatized your dog. She has learned that people are scary. She has learned that YOU are scary and cannot be trusted. And she has learned that biting people is an acceptable response. And she's learned these things at a very impressionable age, where the lessons may stick with her forever and the damage may never be undone even with GOOD training.

I'll stop now because if I say the rest of what I think, I'll be breaking some major board rules...
Are you a Qualified trainer/behaiver specialist?
Yes, she is! Obviously you are not.
 

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What really puzzles me that people can be so proud of their own ignorance. GSD LOVER, you probably did the most important thing for your puppy by registering on this forum. You will be able to raise a dog of your dreams ONLY if you are willing to listen and learn from people who know what they are talking about, like Chris and many others on this board...
 

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Quote: im proud of her protecting my kids,and knowing she will do that.Tramatize.....Please!!!!! have ever seen how they train K-9 dogs?
The problem with a puppy, is they don't have the background and experience to protect, not from a calm, informed and 'real' place. The fact that I spend the first year or so socializing and training my dogs to BE the confident and secure dogs I want..... THAT'S the training I stress the first year or so.

I would never purposely set up my puppies to possibly be really really fearful and then feel the appropriate reaction to that fear is attack. Attacking when trained and the dog is confident is one thing. But because a puppy is afraid is completely different.

There are tons of information about how to raise up a puppy for protection. Best learned when in conjunction with a good trainer/club.

FYI, if you need to look up Chris Wild's background and experience, her website is http://wildhauskennels.com/
 

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How old are your children? I would think this was scary for them too!

Please read more about this breed.

They are innately intelligent, pack oriented and, yes, with maturity, protective.

At 7 months, your dog is no where near maturity no matter how physically large he is. He wont be mature for quite a while - like two years old.. maybe.

The big issue is learning how to channel these qualities.

Stick around, read and learn. You want this dog to be reliable, not reactive.

Just think... what if it were near Halloween and some 12 year old appears in a scary costume? You really don't want the liability of the dog hurting a child and, trust me, you don't want the liability of such a dog.

I'm not sure what you should do now, but please don't 'test' your dog again.

This really is not the way to make him the guardian of your family.
 

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What you did was basically have you dressed as a crazed serial killer/rapist threaten your 9 y/o girl with her life to see if her after school martial arts training has paid off. Sure, she's scream, put up a show, maybe assume fighting position, but you've also committed half your retirement to her future therapy sessions.

FYI, dogs may LOOK mature at half a year of age, but they don't FULLY, MENTALLY mature until 18-24+months of age. Until then, they're babies, children, then silly teenagers. You've sent your dog into fear-based defense, forcing her to fight for her life. Police dogs are first trained to have fun, then trained to fight for real when their maturity begins to kick in. They then learn to have confidence in themselves and their abilities, knowing that they can kick arse but also knowing HOW to kick arse, and finally knowing that they can trust their human partner to assist and lead. If you've every been to a schutzhund club or talked to a K9 handler, you'd know this. This is such ridiculous common sense that not a single poster to your thread NEEDS to be a qualified trainer- it's just plain obvious to anyone who knows anything about dogs!
 

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Originally Posted By: GSD LOVER
Are you a Qualified trainer/behaiver specialist?
From Chris' website:

Quote:We have been actively involved in schutzhund training for more than a decade. We have trained and titled several dogs in SchH, and in 2007 we founded the Liberty Working Dog Club. In addition to being avid schutzhund enthusiasts, we have taught many group and private obedience classes, and Tim worked for several years as a dog groomer. We also have experience in the training of police K9 tracking, patrol work and drug detection through assisting several law enforcement officers with the training of their canine partners, and raising and imprinting young dogs to be placed in service with the Michigan State Police.
I'd say that is a resounding YES.
 
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