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Just curious. There are several semi-exotic meats used in kibble these days but how can these be used and still have a kibble that's affordable and has enough protein? Has anyone researched the origins of these meats?
 

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I know some of the Venison comes from venison farms (yes there are farms that raise deer). I would imagine that Buffalo is the same way.
 

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Originally Posted By: AmaruqI know some of the Venison comes from venison farms (yes there are farms that raise deer). I would imagine that Buffalo is the same way.
Yep, there ARE farms that raise Buffalo. I know a few folks that raise them. (And it is NOT easy.)
 

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I'm aware of farmed venison and our local grocery stores often carry farmed buffalo, but overall both of those meats are a good deal more expensive that poultry or even beef. So how can it be made at the prices charged and still have enough meat/protein? Is it from meats that weren't passed for human consumption?

That's one reason I've avoided them, that issue has bothered me. Does anyone know if these meats actually come from farms and are they in the US? Any chance road kill venison is used, at least in part?
 

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You would have to check with your state fish & game (or wildlife) office to see what becomes of hoofed mammal roadkill in your state. The safety of consuming roadkill depends on the ambient temperature at the time of death and how quickly it is harvested.
 

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I feed Nature's Variety venison and am very happy with the price, quality of the frozen medallions and quality of the end result, poop!
I have Jetta on EPI enzymes, which have made a world of difference in her weight, coat, digestion, etc. I feed her a mixture of Royal Canin GSD 24, Wilderness, and the venison medallions. It works for us!!!
 

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Originally Posted By: DeltaJust curious. There are several semi-exotic meats used in kibble these days but how can these be used and still have a kibble that's affordable and has enough protein? Has anyone researched the origins of these meats?
I would call the company that makes the kibble and ask them, as it probably varies between companies. For instance "rabbit" comes from China, there is not a USA source for rabbit, that would be "affordable" for kibble companies. Rabbit meal is another story as China does not produce rabbit meal..

Unless you call the company, all answers would be a guess..
 

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I buy bison from an organic farm in Oregon. (when I can afford it!
) It's meat for humans. They nearly fell over (well, they were on the phone, but I could hear them gasp) when I told them that I feed most of it to my dogs. I've also bought elk and venison from farms in Montana and Wyoming (again for human consumption).

The venison treats I buy for my dogs all are from New Zealand. So is much of the lamb/lamb treats. It seems to me that a lot of the ungulate meats intended for dogs come from Down Under.
 

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Originally Posted By: 3K9MomI buy bison from an organic farm in Oregon. (when I can afford it!
) It's meat for humans. They nearly fell over (well, they were on the phone, but I could hear them gasp) when I told them that I feed most of it to my dogs. I've also bought elk and venison from farms in Montana and Wyoming (again for human consumption).

The venison treats I buy for my dogs all are from New Zealand. So is much of the lamb/lamb treats. It seems to me that a lot of the ungulate meats intended for dogs come from Down Under.
You feed RAW tho right? As yes when I buy for my RAW fed dogs I know where the meat comes from. Kibble is another story tho, only way to know is to call the company..New Zealand is another common place for some meats, even Rabbit..

I feed rabbit (RAW fed dogs) that comes from China, it has just been recently that my meat market no longer sells Rabbit from China it comes from the USA (Georgia) . My turkey necks that I feed my RAW fed dogs comes from China..LOL Hey they are cheap and my dogs have been eating them from this meat company for over a year, they are still with me:)

Most dog foods have a least a few ingredients from China in them..Vitamins for sure..No way to get around it. As China takes the market on vitamins...
 

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Originally Posted By: BlackPuppy"For instance "rabbit" comes from China"

Now I have to go see where my dogs' food comes from.
New Zealand is another possibility:)
 

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I think some of it can be figured by the ingredient listing and the price - I'd be hesitant also if the price for the venison was the same as for the chicken. If the bag lists "venison by-products," then they are able to use a wide variety of meat sources according to AAFCO (dead,dying,diseased). If it just says "venison," they can't be using roadkill.

The canned food I use is EVO 95% venison or beef. If you look at the prices for their canned, it reflects the price of the meat (venison costs more than the beef; I think duck is higher, and rabbit is the highest I believe).
 

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MikaK9 - thanks, I didn't know that about the by-products and road kill. BTW, I'm not totally against road kill use. In Ohio you could even be on a list for the state patrol to call you when a deer was hit. People would go and "harvest" them.

Price issue makes sense too. :)
 

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Quote:I think some of it can be figured by the ingredient listing and the price - I'd be hesitant also if the price for the venison was the same as for the chicken. If the bag lists "venison by-products," then they are able to use a wide variety of meat sources according to AAFCO (dead,dying,diseased). If it just says "venison," they can't be using roadkill
In regards to just listing "Venison" I'm not sure your statement is correct. AAFCO as no official definition for "Venison"..

Quote:2007 AAFCO book for "venison"
Meat is the clean flesh derived from slaughtered mammals and is limited to that part of striate muscle which is skeletal or that which is found in the tongue, accompanying and overlying fat and the portions of the skin, sinew, nerve, and blood vessels which normally accompany the flesh. It shall be suitable for use in animal food. If it bears a name descriptive of it's kind, it must correspond thereto
Just some added links that are interesting..


Disposal (Rendering) of Deceased Animals

Meat Rendering Plants
 
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