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This is NOT my pup. I took in the momma, and the previous owner just messaged me saying there is something seriously wrong with one of the pups.

The pups are 4 weeks old now. Max (pup in question) was in the birth canal for 4 hours during the birth, and has been a little off since. His poop was white, but changed back to brown once removed from the bitch and switched to puppy formula. His eyes after opening stayed milky for a much longer time than his litter mates.

He is kept in a whelping box outside. We regularly have 110+ temps :(

He has been acting normal, and when the owner went to check on the pups this morning, Max is very ill. He cannot hold his head up, his jaw is clinched shut, and he has had very runny diarrhea for 3 days, no blood.

I called my vet and she said it could be multiple issues, but he sounds seriously ill. The owner cannot afford to take him to the vet, and my vet can't see him under my account until my account is zeroed for Lyka's appointment.

I've told the owner she NEEDS to get him to a vet asap, but she said there is no way possible for her to do that.

Does anyone possibly know what it may be?
 

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Sadly, she just let me know the pup has passed. This is the second in the litter she has lost. I am trying to talk her into bringing the remaining pups to me since they can be inside all day, and I also have the mother, so she can help care for them. She said none of the other pups are showing signs of distress, so hopefully she won't experience any more loses.
 

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I'm sorry to hear that :(
 

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I'm very sorry to hear that. Why exactly aren't the pups with the mother to begin with?

Very young puppies outside in 110+ degree heat... why???
 

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Apparently he didn't pass, but has a seizure.

I was told Lyka was not nursing the pups, and was being aggressive towards them, so she had to be removed. She then suffered severe engorgement and got mastitis as a result. She is being treated for it, hence me having vet bills I am still paying on. I took Lyka in as an emergency, and was not prepared, so financially it has been a setback for me, but I'm making sure she has everything she needs, even if I do go a little in debt with vet bills.

I'm hoping she will bring the rest of the pups to me. I waiting to hear back from the vet to see if I can get the pup in. A bill or two will be late getting paid, but at least the pup can be treated in the meantime.
 

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She is going to bring the rest of the pups to me to care for until they are ready for their new homes. So that is some good news!

However, Lyka has dried up and is no longer expressing milk. Or at least not leaking milk, I haven't tried to express any to check. Should I keep the pups separated from Mom? Will it cause issues since she has been separated from them for a week now?

Honestly, I'm feeling a little overwhelmed. I've never had a litter, nor tiny pups. I'm not sure what to do as far as mom and pups go, and I don't know how to rear pups without a mom???

I am the only one willing to take in the remaining pups, she has no one else that will. She cannot care for them on her own, and thinks the pup may have distemper. Wouldn't that put Lyka at risk since she has never been vaccinated?

Sorry for all the questions, I'm just at a loss.
 

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We got our first German Shepherd after the mom was killed by a mountain lion. The pups were only 3 weeks old. We took one of them, and bottlefed her the first week. At that time there wasn't formula for pups (at least not where we lived) and the vet had me make a formula for her. Then he said to switch her to moistened puppy chow at 4 weeks. That was much easier!
I would ask the vet, but since they are already 4 weeks they may be able to eat some dog food.
Is the mom good with other dogs? I don't know whether she would recognize her pups anymore, but if she wasn't good with them to start with, it may not be any better now.
 

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get them some good puppy food and moisten it.. or get puppy formula.. they should be fine at 4 weeks to eat wet food or moistened dry food.. I would keep all puppies away from mother until distemper is ruled out.. Its highly contagious and even having them in the same household could be bad news.. Get the mother in for shots asap.. I can't believe it wasn't done.. Accidental litter or inexperienced wanna be backyard breeders? Not good, so unfortunate for all involved.
 

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Backyard breeder. And Lyka has an appt on Friday for her first series of shots, the vet didn't want to start on them at her first appt due to medical issues (mastitis) and how snippy and scared she was.

I plan on keeping the pups in a tiled room so I can bleach the floors often, and keep Lyka seperated in my room in meantime.

I don't know how she is with other dogs, I haven't had her around any. She barks and
Growls at them on walks, but doesn't try to charge them
 

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Lyka will not remain separated from the pups. She went wild scratching and biting at doors. So now I have my rescue at risk too. I'm in tears. I hate that I can't say no to people when it comes to helping animals sometimes.

Lyka is nursing them, and has shown NO signs of aggression with the puppies, and her fear aggression has disappeared since the pups came. I was told she wasn't nursing them and was attacking the puppies and had been since day one. I truly haven't seen a better momma, so I'm not sure why I was lied to like that.

The pups all have diarrhea. Water diarrhea. The owner was giving them poweraid since Saturday, no food, because she thought they were dehydrated. SMH. Not even pedialyte, just poweraid. I'm really hoping that is the cause. In my heart I know it's probably not, and I know I probably having a litter of dying puppies on my hand, but I am trying to convince myself it's all going to work out.

Lyka is going in today for her first shot, hopefully that will protect her some.

I just bought some absorbent bedding for the pups, and some dry puppy food (the owner brought adult for them, a tiny little bag) and wet puppy food. I feed them chicken, rice, the adult kibble, and water last night and this morning. I will start them on the puppy food when I get back home (had to run into the office for a couple hours).

My vet said to give them a day or two on food since they are eating, nursing, and drinking great, but if they start to show even the smallest sign of illness to bring them in.

I am so overwhelmed right now!!!!
 

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jschrest, I'm going to PM a couple of the experienced breeders on this board and see if anyone can chime in for help :(
 

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So sorry to hear this is happening to you and these pups. Some people should never have animals.

Maybe just giving them the rice and chicken would be better then adding a different kibble into the mix. I've heard many times rice and chicken for a few days will calm the belly down, then gradually switch to kibble.
 

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I have no experience with nursing moms/ pups but I wanted to tell you I admire you for trying to rescue the pups from a bad situation. The bitch and pups are now in a comfortable environment and you are doing everything you can. I think the wet puppy food or cooked chicken and rice are good choices. Help them stay hydrated. How many pups do you have? Weigh the pups if they seem stable enough to tolerate it ( use a scale that weighs in grams or ounces so you can monitor their weight gain. Also, make sure they stay hydrated... Hats off to you!!
 

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I can't offer any advice but wanted to say thank you for taking on this momma and her pups, rescuing them all is very brave and kind of you.

Prayers for you that all dogs get healthy and strong.
 

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The litter started as 7, two died before I took them. One 2 weeks in, and the pup yesterday that was having seizures. So I have 5. They are all eating great and drinking great. The diarrhea seems to be getting better. It's gone from mucusy water to a soft serve ice cream consistancy (sorry of anyone was eating ice cream while reading this)!

I'm still holding out hope. They seem to be improving. I built a bigger pen for them, she brought over a kennel and it was impossible to clean or get them in and out. They seem happier with more room and no more mess!

I'm doing the best I can, but being given a sick litter when not prepared for it has been tough. I'm so crazy stressed out. My house is a disaster area because I'm dealing with the pups constantly. I applaud breeders. I could NEVER do this voluntarily, and am very much looking forward to Lykas spay appointment!
 

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I don't understand the other persons thought process at all, but I do wonder if mama dog was acting differently because she knew she shouldn't be away from her pups? If she is nursing, can she have any shots? I would think that I would treat the pups like they are about a week behind. Maybe let mom nurse and let them get all the nutrients and antibodies she offers. They have been so deprived of this that they need to play catch up and probably at their own pace. I wish you tons of luck, you are making the best of a very crazy situation.
 

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Sending prayers and best wishes that all turns out well with the pups and their mom. Thanks for all your efforts to help this doggie family!! Take care!!
 
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