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We have an approx. 2 year old male in rescue that has been with us about a year (due to mouthy issues - still need to find the right "fit" for him...).....

Recently he was x-rayed (due to a very nice police dept. that was interested in him...trust me...we checked them out thoroughly) and these are the results:

Front leg series: has ununited anconeal procesis in both elbows with degeneration of joints

Pelvis series: very severe hip dysplasia

Per an internet search on ununited aconeal procesis. Everything says that it's apparent by 24 weeks and that the dog, if not treated, will have pain, swollen joints, lameness, etc.


Ok, soooo...in the year he is in rescue...we have seen no indication of hip problems, pain, swelling, lameness, etc. So, needless to say...we are confused and dismayed.

Thoughts anyone? And...where do we go from here as far as supplementation, physical activity, etc...yikes.....
...mouthy hyper boy that needs needs needs physical activity as an outlet...yet...ugh.......
 

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The dog may have very high pain tolerance. Rafi does and so did Massie, my first dog.

I think Longevity is a great supplement. I also really like the Cetyl-M Joint Formula for dogs. In both cases I would contact the company and ask for a donation or at least a discount because both are expensive. I also use 2000 mg of Ester C/day. You have to build up to that slowly though.

If you can find somewhere to swim him, that would be the best type of exercise and easy to tire him out. Walking in the water is also good. Long walks are also good, but build up the length slowly. Avoid a lot of running, jumping and other high impact activities.

Teach him games so that he wears himself out mentally. Tracking might be a good activity?
 

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Re: UNUNITED ANCONEAL PROCESIS & SEVERE HIP DYSPLA

What a fabulous post...thank you so much Ruth!
 

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No problem--I'm going to have Rafi x-rayed this fall and I'm preparing myself for the results. I know his body is a mess but with good food, supplements and 4-6 miles a day of walking he's doing great! And I do play ball with him but I just keep it to short sessions, don't throw it too far and try not to bounce it too much...but a dog still has to have his ball, right?


I also play a lot of hide and seek games. Stairs are hard on him so I've trained him to stay downstairs if I tell him to since following me up and down the stairs 100 times a day is not good for his joints.
 

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Re: UNUNITED ANCONEAL PROCESIS & SEVERE HIP DYSPLA

24 weeks? I'd always heard that it should be united by around 5-1/2 to 6 months old, but that it can happen as late as a year or so. Although if there's something preventing it from happening, such as a bone chip in the joint like Cassidy had, which is probably the case, it's not going to happen, period, and surgery is indicated.

Ruth is right, supplements certainly can't hurt, and low impact exercise like swimming is a good idea to keep muscles strong so they can support the joints.

BTW, Cassidy had the surgery at around a year old, and she'd never shown signs of pain. The only reason we knew about her UAP was that the breeder had the puppies X-rayed at about 5 months old.
 

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Oh...so there is a surgery for this? (sorry...I really have no experience with this)
 

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Yes! It's not cheap of course, I can't remember exactly what we paid since it was 7 years ago, but her spay was done at the same time, and I think it was a little over $2000 total. Our vet brought in a surgical specialist to do the procedure, and he assisted. He said they removed a piece of bone the size of his fingernail from the joint. If I remember correctly, they can either stabilize the joint with pins, or not. What our vet told us is that any time there is an improperly developed joint there will eventually be arthritis, but by doing the surgery, and doing it earlier rather than later, it would likely not be as severe, and probably would take longer to become a problem too.

Of course she had other issues, a serious and painful spinal disease that was diagnosed at 2-1/2 and ended her life at just over 4 years old, so I can't tell what the long term result of her surgery was, but once she recovered from surgery and was able to resume full activity she seemed completely normal. She had never limped, before or after surgery.
 

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Dog's don't read x-rays.
We've got an 11.5yo with spondylosis and 9yo with Moderate HD in both hips... neither of which are supposed to be able to walk based upon what their x-rays say, yet they get along just fine.

While generally UAP and severe HD is going to cause symptoms, not all dogs will experience those. Every dog is an individual. Looks like this guy is pretty lucky in that despite what his x-rays say, he's not particularly bothered by either condition.

For management, the general keep them on a good diet, lean and not overweight is always important, but especially with joint issues. I would put him on joint supplements. Adjust exercise to keep him in shape and build up good muscle tone (which allows the muscles to take some strain off the joints) but you want to make sure it's low impact exercise. Swimming is great.

There are surgical options for fixing UAP and the HD, though they are rather expensive. Might be worth consulting with an orthopedic surgeon to see what the options for him would be, and whether it would make a difference long term to do the surgery now, or wait to see if he does experience symptoms in the future and do the surgery then.
 

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Re: UNUNITED ANCONEAL PROCESIS & SEVERE HIP DYSPLA

Thank you everyone for all the imput! Lucky for this dog...weight is not an issue...he is extremely thin...(must have a very high metabolism..as we can find no health reason for it).....which certainly helps. Also helps he can't read...lol......

I have to say...when you look at him...he looks a little bow legged...but geez...I always thought it was just poor confirmation....

seriously...you would never suspect this boy has any issues such as this.....
 

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Glad I am reading this! Going through the hip stuff with Kayos and we had been able to keep her moving well until just about a month ago. She will need surgery and we are scheduled On Sept 4.

Had we treated her xray 4 years ago she would have been put down - at least that is the advice given us by the old country vet we took her to. We don't go there any more......

Sounds like this guy has a good shot at a good outcome with a great foster mom like you.
 

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Mac was limping and was diagnosed with UAP, however, the surgeon said he was too old to have the corrective surgery. After rest, joint supplements and pain meds, he stopped limping. I give him Dasuquin and recently started him on Cetyl-M. I'll probably start Adequan injections in a year or two. So far he has no noticable symptoms, trots around the yard constantly with his toys. Runs at a normal speed when I play ball with him.
 

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Misha was also diagnosed with UAP - she had surgery last year in both elbows and is doing great. (limps occasionally when she had played too hard with Chaos). She also has "splayed out" feet; you can kinda see them in this pic:


but does not stop her
 
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