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I had a horrible experience just recently with a breeder who had puppies for sale. She sounded at first like she was responsible when it came to guarantees for health, hips, etc.
However, after the hour long drive to her home, the first thing I see is a seriously run down home that housed the puppies. (not people, as the home she lived in was a half mile further down the road)) Ice was literally on the inside of the windows which she scraped off so I could view the parents out back. FILTHY conditions. She didn't believe in feeding the puppies certain amounts throughout the day, but PURINA PUPPY CHOW in a large bowl so they could freely eat whenever they liked. The food was spilled in the stools and urine. No pedigree to be shown to me about the parents. No OFA proof. Puppies had white tips on their tails, some white streaks on their backs, most all paws were white, white spot on chest and chin. These were black and tan pups. They JUST turned 7 weeks (not told to me during the phone call, just that they were ready to go to a home) and out of a litter of 6, 2 were remaining. Then I heard, "You seem like you can afford it, why don't you just buy the last 2 here?" I stood there with my jaw dropped. Then she proceeded to tell me that if I wanted to breed, they would cost 400.00. If not, then it would be a limited registration and then the pup would cost 300.00. I remarked that even though I do not know a whole lot in regards to the German Shepherd standard, I did believe that the white markings were not smiled upon by breeders. So, I strongly believed that if anyone bought one of these pups it should only be limited. Her words were "Oh, I do not think that is my place to tell a potential owner that they couldn't breed their pup" OH MY! Since then, I have spoken to 4 other GSD breeders where all of them didn't even understand what I meant by OFA. One guy's ad read that his pups were from Champion bloodlines. Yeah, it was ONE champion in a 5 generation pedigree, AND the champion being 4 generations back. He said (and I quote) "Since this is a top notch pedigree that is why they are selling for 500.00 instead of 300.00.
Someone please help me here. I am on an acre of land which is fenced in with a privacy fence. No other dogs, no cats. My husband and I are 51 yrs old. All kids are grown. No, I am not going to show nor breed. However, if you have a puppy, or even an older GS, please, we would love to give it a good home. However, I REFUSE to pay some backwoods breeder who is clearly about making a dollar and has no interest whatsoever in bettering the breed. We are in WV and definitely can afford to take care of a dog through sickness and health. I also see price ranges from 150.00 (yes, THAT LOW!) to 4,000. What is a normal price for a good looking, healthy pet GSD?
Thank you in advance all. :)
ALSO..I am willing to drive up to 400 miles to meet you and vice versa.
 

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I would have turned in the first breeder to AC:( How sad.

I don't know where you've been looking for a dog, but it's obvious that you've been running into some real doozies:(

You've come to the right place:) There are many breeders here and can be referenced via this forum.

I have to give you credit for walking away from the first one, such sad conditions can really tug on our heart strings:(..

I'm sure you will get some GOOD referrals from here.
You can find a dog from a responsible breeder anywhere from 900 up.

The average seems to be around 1200-1500.

Stick around and check back, as I said I'm sure someone can offer some referrals in your area..

West Virginia right?:)
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Welcome EMarie59.
Good for you to not support that breeder. Have you read the sticky in this forum http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/choosing-breeder/137533-things-look-responsible-breeder.html
Depending on the lines the price varies...showlines tend to run higher average $2000 Working lines $1000-2000 ballpark
What lines are you interested in and where is your location? There are many great breeders who don't take advantage of people and breed responsibly. Members here can point you in the right direction with a bit more info on what you are looking for in your next companion.
 

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Something I do have to say is, though it must have been hard, GOOD FOR YOU for NOT supporting this person! While somebody may buy those puppies, it is absolutely the best thing that you did NOT!
 

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I have no problem paying in the price ranges just given nor travelling up to 400 miles to meet a breeder. This is going to be a long time commitment between me, my husband and the dog we ultimately get, so I am not in a hurry to just pick the first one I see.
I AM by the way, reporting this breeder I had met with. I almost wanted to buy the pups just to get them out of there! They were so skittish too. I even sat on the disgusting floor and lowered my head down to them so they wouldn't feel so intimidated and come up to me. I am guessing it was a ZERO in regards to socialization having been done. Then I really started freaking out after talking to the next ones in line selling puppies. Can't the AKC get involved someway as to investigate breeders reported so they can't ever get litters registered again? That would help stop this.
Anyways, I am thinking about contacting the GSC and maybe getting information from them in regards to breeders, training in the area, etc. I would DEFINITELY get involved with obedience training, etc. I am in the southeast part of WV
 

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Welcome EMarie59.
Good for you to not support that breeder. Have you read the sticky in this forum http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/choosing-breeder/137533-things-look-responsible-breeder.html
Depending on the lines the price varies...showlines tend to run higher average $2000 Working lines $1000-2000 ballpark
What lines are you interested in and where is your location? There are many great breeders who don't take advantage of people and breed responsibly. Members here can point you in the right direction with a bit more info on what you are looking for in your next companion.
Thanks, going to read it now...
 

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We had our beloved Duchess for 16 years (Labrador) who "went to sleep" about 2 years ago.
I learned a lotwhen we had gotten her, OR I should say AFTER we bought her. We had driven to CT to a supposed well known and respected breeder. BALONEY! She paid for articles to be written about her in dog books. She actually only had 2 champions, and 1 of which finished at a very young age that she kept hush hush about when he turned 2 due to that he had dysplasia. She was studding him out everywhere.
How do I know this? Duchess was one of his offspring and from a Dam she owned as well. (whose hips were fair)
Duchess's hips were so bad at a year old we paid $2500.00 to have them fixed. This surgeon was spectacular as you never knew anything had been done. It was worth the money spent to see her happy and running again.
SO! The reason why I ask many questions now to a breeder. I don't know. Maybe we should go to a GS rescue organization?
 

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rescue is DEFINATELY a good possibility..check out the rescue forum here on the board.

I'm sorry about Duchess:( so sad, there are some whacky lab breeders around here, my sister is the 'lab' person in the family, tho she just lost her two old girls, one at 15 and one at 13:( Anyhow, I used to go to some of the lab shows around here, and yeppie, some unscrupulous ones for sure:(

Rescue is definately something worth looking into, going with a reputable one, you'll get a really good idea of what the dog/puppy is and health as well.
 

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You don't say where in WV you're located so I'm not sure if this is within your 400 mile radius or not.

If you don't mind a WGSD, I got my girl Faith from a breeder in Mercersburg, PA. She's a really cool dog, good temperament, knock on wood ... so far she's been healthy, and IMHO she's beautiful ... I just adore her. :wub:

I've known one of her breeders for almost 30 years and the co-breeder for about 8 years (more or less).
Welcome to Sugarloaf Shepherds - Championship German Shepherd Dogs of White Coat Color

Here's a picture taken of Faith when she was a puppy before Barb gave her to me:
White German Shepherd Dog Club of America, Inc. || Pedigrees || Vantasia's Beyond The Rainbow To Sugarloaf
 

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EMarie - have you considered a rescue? From your description of your home, I can't imagine one would turn you down. You can find a young dog through any of them.
 

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sent you a PM regarding some older pups/young adults available - from another board member - she would probably do some driving to meet you if it would work for you...

Lee
 

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and to add, Lee above is a breeder you can trust:))
 

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Thanks! ** Removed by Admin. No, advertising isn't allowed**

Hope this is allowed!

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I tried to report a breeder to AKC and even though my dog from that breeder is registered with AKC, they (AKC) told me that they do not monitor or sanction individual breeders, so having the papers does not mean AKC will get involved. I tried to report the breeder to AKC for breeding unhealthy dogs and they were no help at all. So be careful, papers do not mean you have recourse if the dog has problems. Be careful and best of luck finding the right dog for you.
 

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why report to AKC, how about reporting to Animal Control on the conditons, how horrible for the pups.
 

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I would have turned in the first breeder to AC:( How sad.

For what? For feeding puppy chow?

For living outside? For being dirty?

You must have never seen hunting dogs in the south.

So he didn't like the breeder and didn't buy from them. You better be careful about what want legislated. After the HSUS put up guidelines about what to look for in dog fighters (flirt poles, spring poles, treadmills) a lot of good breeders were questioned and even some were charged. If you google you can find some info about people that overzealous AC arrested and charged with Animal cruelty and were then found not guilty (after having their dogs destroyed).
 

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Well if we all just turn a blind eye on cruelty would that be better? Really???
I would alert authorities if I saw what I thought was neglect or abuse.
And if this litter is getting no socialization will they end up in a shelter or euth'd because they are fearful nervebags? Sorry but we have to be a voice for the ones that can't speak.

I agree, the rights of responsible breeders will be taken away with unfair laws, but that shouldn't stop someone from reporting a neglectful horrible environmental breeder situation.
 

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Where in the post did you think they were in an situation covered by "Animal Cruelty"?

Mostly unless you see someone actually abusing an animal or they are living in unlivable conditions then you should mind your own business. I keep dogs in (clean) kennels, some people think that's crulety. Some people think 8 hours in a crate is cruel. Some people find prong collars cruel. Just because you don't approve of how someone raises their animals doesn't mean it falls under the realm of Animal Cruelty. Once again if what the Op describes bothers you, you should head to southern VA and see how they keep beagles.

And lack of socialization doesn't create "nerve bags". But that's for another thread.
 

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I almost wanted to buy the pups just to get them out of there! They were so skittish too. I even sat on the disgusting floor and lowered my head down to them so they wouldn't feel so intimidated and come up to me. I am guessing it was a ZERO in regards to socialization having been done.
So these dogs will grow up with a sound temperament, I wish...
 
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