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We have a 12 week old boy and he just does not get it. We are taking him out at least once and hour and he still just stops and pees on the floor. He's hasn't a bowel movement on the floor lately--but the crate is a different story.

He can't stay in his crate over 2 hours without making a big mess--and he doesn't even attempt not to stay out of the mess. He just wallows in it. I teach school and will be off for the summer in a few weeks. Is it too late to just start over? I do believe he probably has too much room in the crate--I'm ready to get a carrier that only allows enough room to just liy down. We've had a total of five dogs, and they were all completely housebroken by this age--were we just lucky? Are some dogs not just house trainable?
 

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Some take a little longer, but if your crate is too large that is your first issue. I had a really hard time potty training a Husky/Lab mix but other than that never had an issue with others. IMO make the crate much smaller, take him straight out (carry him if you must) to go potty, go crazy and make it the best thing in the world. Do not go back in until he has done his business. Learn his routine.. Like 15 min after he eats he poops or what ever the poop schedule is. Most dogs have a pretty predictable schedule on when they have to go after eating. Starting over is completely acceptable.
 

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Get the smaller crate. And I agree, carry him out if you must and wait for him to do his business. And if he can't make it two hours yet, take him out sooner. If you catch him starting to go on the floor, interrupt him and take him outside to finish. Don't let him in the house without supervision so he doesn't have the opportunity to go on the floor.
 

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Where did you get him from? ONce they get in the habit of going in their crate it can be very challenging to break it.

What are you cleaning the crate with?
 

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I think it depends on the individual dog, some need more help. I recently helped raise a puppy that started using a dog-door at 5 weeks. He never once soiled his crate and I can count on one hand the number of accidents he had in the house (and only pee, always my fault). However he's got a littermate that has soiled his crate almost every night.
 

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When he is out of his crate you could try tether training. That way you can have an eye on him at all times. I don't use a crate at all just tether and Timbre hasn't had any accidents. But i know that for a lot of people having a dog tethered to you at all times isn't practicle so a combination of tether and crate is a good alternative

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I don't think you need to buy a new crate, just fill the extra space with something like a cardboard box or a small garbage can or something
 

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@BowWow--I do think the breeder may be the cause of this. The puppies were in a kennel on a concrete pad and they were allowed to just go anywhere. Our girl who is a year was kept in the breeders home and she was just about completely housebroken when we got her. I have only been cleaning with soap and water--I just assumed the enzyme cleaner was for carpet only. So I need to spray the plastic tray with the enzyme cleaner?
 

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Yes. Spray the plastic tray. Fiona had a giant crate as a puppy. I got her the adult one. I put the divider in it came with. Two days and she figured out how to dislodge it. I put in cardboard boxes. That day she rearranged them and was laying on top of one. Put more boxes in. She ate them. Not literally, she destroyed them with her teeth.

Why am I telling you this, because I should have gotten the smaller crate.


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We opted with a larger crate with a divider. That thing was hard for me to put on. When we began crating her at night (first week she slept with me zero issues.) I made it as small as I could with still giving her room, but the width was too wide. She had a couple accidents and would curl in the opposite corner. I had an old laundry basket I cut hot dog style and tide it to the crate with the base facing her. It worked. She has now outgrown it with it in, so it's now out but it really helped. 11 1/2 weeks and we're doing great. She's even began coming up to me and whimpering if she's in between potty breaks and needs to go outside (was 15min breaks, then 20min now 30min.)
 

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UPDATE!!
Things are 100% better. We blocked the crate and only left him with enough room to lay down. He has not had an accident since. It's amazing how just reducing the room in the crate has made our life so much easier.
 
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