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Everyone plays with tugs. Screw tugs. They're for noobs.


Why are you buying all these expensive 20 to 40 dollar bite tugs from Leerburg that are just going to fall apart? Then you need a DVD just to learn to do it right. Forget that noise. Be like Ivan, invent the game and then say screw it, dog likes a frisbee I bought at Petco more. So what everyone at club looks at you funny?

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Nice training session. He just LOVES that frisbee doesn't he?
 

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My dog's papa (IPO3) trains with a Frisbee. He freaking loves that thing. One time he couldn't hold it in anymore, and jumped on his owner and just about pulled her over trying to get it out from under her jacket, it was totally hilarious :D
 

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I'm being a little facetious. I love tugs but it is interesting I had to build value for it for it to be useful for training and the frisbee didn't require that. Says more about the dog than the game though. The great thing about having several ways to reward is that they can stay fresh and exciting when you cycle them.

Part of what creates value in a game is the frequency in which you play it. If you play it all the time it's not as exciting as if it happens every so often. Well if tug is your only toy reward game and you only play a certain way it gets boring vs different games with the same item or different items that all have different games.
 

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Thanks Baillif... You have given me an idea for my little dude. He is all about the Kong but Tasha gets great big green eyes and tries to steal it. I will try a Frisbee. I don't think Tasha likes those. :)
 

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Thanks for posting the great video, that was lots of fun to watch :)

I've never used those fabric frisbees (looks like what you've got) because I didn't think they had enough weight to them. I really like the chewber the best out of all of them now. It's a Super Tool, that's for sure. I keep mine at the front door, at my dog's eye level. He's very highly motivated to get to the game, so teaching him decent door manners was a piece of cake.
 

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I thought the fabric ones would tear the second he got a hold of one but they hold up really well. You can even play tug with them although this would drastically reduce the life of the toy. I like em because even if I fire one directly into the dogs face it isn't aversive. The extra hang time you can get outside means you can wear the dog out faster.

Plus they are pink so girls assume you're in touch with your sensitive side and when I stick it in my pants it draws their attention to my butt.
 

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I'm being a little facetious. I love tugs but it is interesting I had to build value for it for it to be useful for training and the frisbee didn't require that. Says more about the dog than the game though. The great thing about having several ways to reward is that they can stay fresh and exciting when you cycle them.

Part of what creates value in a game is the frequency in which you play it. If you play it all the time it's not as exciting as if it happens every so often. Well if tug is your only toy reward game and you only play a certain way it gets boring vs different games with the same item or different items that all have different games.
I don't train anything exciting right now... taking a break from SAR for a couple months but a frisbee wouldn't have been a good idea (woods + frisbee + a handler that can barely throw one well at all = bad bad idea and inefficient rewards).. but we do OB and scent games frequently to keep up..

It was defninitely interesting and still gets me, to see Titan's drive change with a frisbee or soccer ball.. we play with a tennis ball every day.. it's is regular reward. When we got his first frisbee about a year ago.. it was like a kid on Christmas. He didn't know what to do with himself. It's now a special toy/game for us. But he will drop just about anything and won't even take treats anymore once I bring out the frisbee, and most recently the soccer ball.
 

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Well its not pink but little dude loves it. I found it buried in the bottom of the doggie toy box. Thanks for the idea. :) Tasha is still green eyed but at least its not "her" kong.





BTW not putting it anywhere near my back pocket. :D
 

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Bah I want that color instead.

As an aside 95% of those behaviors were either created or negative reinforced with a prong or ecollar at some point. Even the frisbee return. If I don't call him back he will just run victory laps with it in his mouth because he's so into possession. He'll return it eventually but not when I wanted. I do reward with possession sometimes. He likes it. But to start I had to prong him back to me and eventually he saw the value in it.

Do it right and they perform happily. Do it wrong and you end up with a suppressed scared looking dog.
 

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Sometimes I wish Titan would take possession and just run around with it mostly because that would indicate him playing by himself.. but he won't.. he will forever be a fetch dog.. always.. I didn't have to train that.. He has always been that way. *sigh* Lol.
 

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I thought the fabric ones would tear the second he got a hold of one but they hold up really well. You can even play tug with them although this would drastically reduce the life of the toy. I like em because even if I fire one directly into the dogs face it isn't aversive. The extra hang time you can get outside means you can wear the dog out faster.

Plus they are pink so girls assume you're in touch with your sensitive side and when I stick it in my pants it draws their attention to my butt.
lmao

I hear you on the right into the dog's face with the hard plastic ones. That may have happened here a time or two...the dog was like, 'um, ok. I guess this is fun?' :crazy: :blush:
 

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Bah I want that color instead.

As an aside 95% of those behaviors were either created or negative reinforced with a prong or ecollar at some point. Even the frisbee return. If I don't call him back he will just run victory laps with it in his mouth because he's so into possession. He'll return it eventually but not when I wanted. I do reward with possession sometimes. He likes it. But to start I had to prong him back to me and eventually he saw the value in it.

Do it right and they perform happily. Do it wrong and you end up with a suppressed scared looking dog.
I've never tried a prong, I'm afraid to do it wrong and trainers out here are few and far between. I'd like to learn someday though. :)

How young did you start training him?
 

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I have a great beginner's frisbee that's made out of a fake sheepskin-like material, white fuzzy fleece. It's perfect for those 'boink' moments. :D
 
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