This could be an interesting thread. Wish I had more time this morning to answer.
The Perfect pedigree?
What dog would you consider to have the best/perfect pedigree. i know there is no such thing but still. What dog has the closet thing to what everyone wants out of a GSD ( working lines)
Jeff
Jeff
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there are no dogs that are as well rounded as the GSD or least that i know of. there are lots of other dogs i would have for alot of different reasons.
Originally Posted By: jdp2134What dog would you consider to have the best/perfect pedigree. i know there is no such thing but still. What dog has the closet thing to what everyone wants out of a GSD ( working lines)
Jeff
DogDad What i meant on the whole " what dog has the closest thing to what everyone wants out of a GSD" is as far as Working line GSD are concerned which dog out there would people consider to have the best/perfect pedigree
One of those fun arguments to get into. And im sure we would all want to hear what the reasons are behind you picking that dog/pedigree.
One of those fun arguments to get into. And im sure we would all want to hear what the reasons are behind you picking that dog/pedigree.
Oh, but it depends on what 'perfect' is to you!!!!! If it's a certain look? Or a certain temperment for what you 'do' with the dog. Or a certain drives/personality?
I know for me, though I want my dog to look like a GSD (and really love the sables) truthfully the 'look' is way down on my list of desires. So if my next bitch was undersized or had a short tail BUT was absolutely the best drives/temperment for agility, that would be the pedigree I'd stick with!!!!! (NOT that I would want them breeding for teeny dogs with short tails
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I know for me, though I want my dog to look like a GSD (and really love the sables) truthfully the 'look' is way down on my list of desires. So if my next bitch was undersized or had a short tail BUT was absolutely the best drives/temperment for agility, that would be the pedigree I'd stick with!!!!! (NOT that I would want them breeding for teeny dogs with short tails
Perfect as in what was orignally meant for the GSD. Of course this is all relative to the person so maybe i should say what the poster would consider the perfect/best pedigree for what they like to do. Whether it be SchH or agility or w/e
if you mean why i picked my dog/pedigree, well i did it the worst way you can. i picked him on color and didn't worry about drive, working or whatever reason most people pick a dog. my dog is from a working/show line. i showed him once as a puppy. he's well trained. he's our pet/companion. he's active outside and calm in the house. i've never worried about tempermant. i find a good breeder and the dogs turn out fine. so, what other dogs would i pick with a working line GSD in mind? Collie, Border Collie, Belgium Sheep Dogs (Tuevie), Corgie, lots of different Retrievers, i could go on and on. the GSD can do so much. so for me there's lots of dogs i could pick for one reason or another but the GSD can do what that dog does plus more. i don't know of any dog that can do all of the things a GSD can do and do as well.Originally Posted By: jdp2134DogDad What i meant on the whole " what dog has the closest thing to what everyone wants out of a GSD" is as far as Working line GSD are concerned which dog out there would people consider to have the best/perfect pedigree
One of those fun arguments to get into. And im sure we would all want to hear what the reasons are behind you picking that dog/pedigree.
Going out on a limb here, not intending to make the OP angry. I think the dog him or herself trumps the pedigree idea. The dog is not necessarily the pedigree, inasmuch that the phenoype and genotype may not be what you planned, even with so much planning.
Instead, it is the soul in the eyes of the pup or dog that you meet. A pedigree can hint at possible potential. But the dog you meet bears a heavier impact than looking at who is behind him or her on paper, their titles, reported strengths, recorded wins, etc. So much never gets recorded-- from severe health problems like IBD in those top scoring dogs, to the way a certain dog always knows how you feel, what you need, and has uncanny intuition.
I don't give pedigrees as much weight as others. The best dog for me can be the $2,000 breeder pup with a host of famed titled ancestors, or the brown eyes looking out from behind the fence at the shelter. I want to meet the dog, meet the soul. The right dog WILL HAVE that "perfect pedigree"-- because it made that soul who he is-- courage, intuition, strong nerves, reliable mind and all.
Instead, it is the soul in the eyes of the pup or dog that you meet. A pedigree can hint at possible potential. But the dog you meet bears a heavier impact than looking at who is behind him or her on paper, their titles, reported strengths, recorded wins, etc. So much never gets recorded-- from severe health problems like IBD in those top scoring dogs, to the way a certain dog always knows how you feel, what you need, and has uncanny intuition.
I don't give pedigrees as much weight as others. The best dog for me can be the $2,000 breeder pup with a host of famed titled ancestors, or the brown eyes looking out from behind the fence at the shelter. I want to meet the dog, meet the soul. The right dog WILL HAVE that "perfect pedigree"-- because it made that soul who he is-- courage, intuition, strong nerves, reliable mind and all.
oh yeah, i pick the color i want and then the soul and feeling has to be there. so far i've never been disappointed. i find a good breeder and i never worry about tempermant, drive and lineage. my dogs turn out just fine for me. a good breeder, good training, a great dog.Originally Posted By: BrightelfGoing out on a limb here, not intending to make the OP angry. I think the dog him or herself trumps the pedigree idea. The dog is not necessarily the pedigree, inasmuch that the phenoype and genotype may not be what you planned, even with so much planning.
Instead, it is the soul in the eyes of the pup or dog that you meet. A pedigree can hint at possible potential. But the dog you meet bears a heavier impact than looking at who is behind him or her on paper, their titles, reported strengths, recorded wins, etc. So much never gets recorded-- from severe health problems like IBD in those top scoring dogs, to the way a certain dog always knows how you feel, what you need, and has uncanny intuition.
I don't give pedigrees as much weight as others. The best dog for me can be the $2,000 breeder pup with a host of famed titled ancestors, or the brown eyes looking out from behind the fence at the shelter. I want to meet the dog, meet the soul. The right dog WILL HAVE that "perfect pedigree"-- because it made that soul who he is-- courage, intuition, strong nerves, reliable mind and all.
I would have to say that Patti summed it up here very well. While YES the pedigree does have an impact, the dogs themselves are what they are. I have been told by numerous people that because of my guys pedigree that I "really need to watch for nerve/temperament issues" etc. etc. etc. "Because they are such a mish mash working ability would be all over the place." Guess what? I have known not only my dogs but MANY MANY of their close and some distant relatives. Guess what- nerves and temperament are solid on them and the relatives that I have known. And they have produced solid workers regardless of the 'undesirable' paperwork behind them.Originally Posted By: BrightelfGoing out on a limb here, not intending to make the OP angry. I think the dog him or herself trumps the pedigree idea. The dog is not necessarily the pedigree, inasmuch that the phenoype and genotype may not be what you planned, even with so much planning.
Instead, it is the soul in the eyes of the pup or dog that you meet. A pedigree can hint at possible potential. But the dog you meet bears a heavier impact than looking at who is behind him or her on paper, their titles, reported strengths, recorded wins, etc. So much never gets recorded-- from severe health problems like IBD in those top scoring dogs, to the way a certain dog always knows how you feel, what you need, and has uncanny intuition.
I don't give pedigrees as much weight as others. The best dog for me can be the $2,000 breeder pup with a host of famed titled ancestors, or the brown eyes looking out from behind the fence at the shelter. I want to meet the dog, meet the soul. The right dog WILL HAVE that "perfect pedigree"-- because it made that soul who he is-- courage, intuition, strong nerves, reliable mind and all.
On the other hand there are some dogs I like to see in a pedigree but I dont think I would have a "perfect" pedigree in mind. I think part of it is that I have researched a lot of working pedigrees and I find myself being drawn more and more to the old "East Bloc" type dogs. While I have learned alot about some of the older Working lines I have not been able to learn the same "type" of info on the Czech/DDR type lines that I find myself drawn too.
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