I agree. I haven't met too many dogs I would actually classify as stubborn, and most I have met were breeds other than GSDs. I've met many dog's whose handlers were unable to properly motivate and communicate with their dog.Originally Posted By: lhczthStubborn is a human term often used to describe dogs that don't fit into a handler's typical training methods. Many of these dogs just need handler's capable of thinking outside the box.
I agree, I don't really like stubborn dogs but as already said you have to look at the total dog and if they bring other good qualities I could overlook it....I consider stubborn dogs as ones who are just lacking the pack drive/biddability/genetic obedience whatever you want to call it.Quote:I'm not quite sure why people want to see stubborn GSDs.
To me hardness does not equate to stubborness. You can get hard GSDs that are not stubborn, and hard GSDs that are stubborn, so why settle for the latter?
I see these as 2 unrelated traits.
Disagree. SchH is obedience. Lots and lots of obedience. A dog that isn't biddable to a certain degree, a dog that doesn't want to work with his handler and is always fighting with his handler is not going to score well.Quote:I wonder with these *sport* lines, dogs that are bred for many generations to excel at Schutzhund, some of the need for pack drive, natural biddability is lost ? what are everyone's thoughts ?